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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Management of Passenger Numbers at Dublin Airport: Discussion (22 Nov 2023)

Gerry Horkan: Is it about how we count to 32 million?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Management of Passenger Numbers at Dublin Airport: Discussion (22 Nov 2023)

Gerry Horkan: We should not anticipate the planning authority's ruling. We had a presentation last week which was quite useful. Deputy Smith was there as well. There is all this talk about the buildings but the cap is all about how one gets on and off the campus. It does not seem to make reference to-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Management of Passenger Numbers at Dublin Airport: Discussion (22 Nov 2023)

Gerry Horkan: It might be useful for those who are based close to the airport, including Senator Doherty and Deputy Smith, to get a list of all these people and try to iron out issues with Mr. Jacobs. He might agree, in the fullness of time, to meet some of the groups which say they have not met him yet, perhaps sooner rather than later, so we can avoid this type of interaction and have better relations...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Management of Passenger Numbers at Dublin Airport: Discussion (22 Nov 2023)

Gerry Horkan: I am not doubting that. I am saying there is a perception from Senator Doherty at least that some people do not feel they have a great relationship with the DAA. Let us try to improve that situation. It happens in all parts of the country.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Management of Passenger Numbers at Dublin Airport: Discussion (22 Nov 2023)

Gerry Horkan: In situations where relations are not ideal, sometimes all it takes is a conversation or a chat, and a bit of working together, to improve.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Management of Passenger Numbers at Dublin Airport: Discussion (22 Nov 2023)

Gerry Horkan: Theraison d'être of this meeting is that I asked for it. We wanted to discuss the cap of 32 million passengers and its potential to have the airport closed on 15 December as a result of somebody coming along and saying the cap had been exceeded and no more people could come into or go out of the airport. Is there a definition anywhere of how a passenger is counted? Why are these...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Management of Passenger Numbers at Dublin Airport: Discussion (22 Nov 2023)

Gerry Horkan: The DAA has decided, rightly or wrongly and it may be completely right, not to include the Ethiopian passengers who transit. The people who stay on the plane do not get counted at all. Is that correct? I note that is a moot point-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Management of Passenger Numbers at Dublin Airport: Discussion (22 Nov 2023)

Gerry Horkan: -----but they were not being counted for the cap.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Management of Passenger Numbers at Dublin Airport: Discussion (22 Nov 2023)

Gerry Horkan: The DAA has not included them. If those flights were arriving until October, the DAA did not count those passengers.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Management of Passenger Numbers at Dublin Airport: Discussion (22 Nov 2023)

Gerry Horkan: The passengers were counted once.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Management of Passenger Numbers at Dublin Airport: Discussion (22 Nov 2023)

Gerry Horkan: They are treated the same.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Management of Passenger Numbers at Dublin Airport: Discussion (22 Nov 2023)

Gerry Horkan: There are no longer any fifth freedom transits in any event, so that is now irrelevant.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Management of Passenger Numbers at Dublin Airport: Discussion (22 Nov 2023)

Gerry Horkan: Everyone else is then counted twice. Counting transit passengers who do not get off aircraft only once and counting all the other passengers, where does Mr. Jacobs think the DAA will be on 31 December this year?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Management of Passenger Numbers at Dublin Airport: Discussion (22 Nov 2023)

Gerry Horkan: The DAA is seeking permission to increase the limit to 40 million, potentially in two years’ time. Building will take another three years. It depends on whether Fingal County Council decides that the DAA can have a cap of 40 million as soon as it grants the permission or only after the DAA has completed the work. With two years needed for the planning application and a further three...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Management of Passenger Numbers at Dublin Airport: Discussion (22 Nov 2023)

Gerry Horkan: Yes, but when I asked Mr. Jacobs the question, he answered that the work would take three years. I am not saying it cannot be done in two and a half years. Rather, Mr. Jacobs told me it would take three years and that planning would take two years. Based on that advice, we are talking five years before the 40 million cap will apply. Yet, based on last year’s growth, I think we...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Management of Passenger Numbers at Dublin Airport: Discussion (22 Nov 2023)

Gerry Horkan: Mr. Jacobs is hoping the permission from Fingal County Council will provide that the DAA will not have to have everything done before the is cap raised. For example, it could be raised once the piers have been done or the new stands or whatever.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Management of Passenger Numbers at Dublin Airport: Discussion (22 Nov 2023)

Gerry Horkan: The board is not thinking beyond a 40 million figure but it will need to do that soon. Is that correct?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Management of Passenger Numbers at Dublin Airport: Discussion (22 Nov 2023)

Gerry Horkan: Mr. Jacobs mentioned that he thought it would be tactically helpful to have the land the DAA does not have between the two runways. If the DAA owned that land today, what would it do with it?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Management of Passenger Numbers at Dublin Airport: Discussion (22 Nov 2023)

Gerry Horkan: Are remote stands where aircraft park after they have unloaded or where they pull up to have people bused in?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Management of Passenger Numbers at Dublin Airport: Discussion (22 Nov 2023)

Gerry Horkan: It is to the credit of Dublin Airport and its predecessors - Aer Rianta and so on - that the land was bought 30, 40, 50, 60 or 70 years ago when people probably never envisaged Dublin Airport growing to what it is now. Did An Bord Pleanála ever rule on whether transit and transfer passengers should or should not be counted and whether they should be counted as zero, one or two passengers?

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