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Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Colm Burke: So RTÉ was aware of it.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Colm Burke: That agreement does not even mention the consideration.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Colm Burke: I know the new director general has said this morning that RTÉ will not have all these side letters in the future. I have never seen anything like this scenario where we had more side letters than we had pages in the agreement.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Colm Burke: Ms Mullooly was in the legal department and she was the person in charge.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Colm Burke: On page 24 of the document we received from Noel Kelly, he refers to NK Management getting advice from the legal department about the invoice.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Colm Burke: Therefore, the legal department was aware of what was to go into that invoice.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Colm Burke: But the legal department wrote to Noel Kelly setting out what should be in the invoice.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Colm Burke: RTÉ's legal department wrote looking for an invoice for €75,000, and no agreement had been signed by RTÉ.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Colm Burke: Did RTÉ not ask how an invoice can be issued when there is no agreement signed?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Colm Burke: If Ms Mullooly comes to me to buy a house and I come along and say I want her to pay out €75,000 to the builder, even though the builder has not signed the contract, would she be concerned about that?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Colm Burke: But RTÉ was the principle player in this agreement.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Colm Burke: It was a tripartite agreement and we had the legal department of RTÉ giving instructions about an invoice to be raised, even though there was no signed agreement.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Colm Burke: But it sent out the email-----

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Colm Burke: -----about what should be in the invoice.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Colm Burke: Does Ms Mullooly not accept that with all of these side letters relating to other agreements as well, that we are in the mess we are in because not everything was set out in the agreements and because there are people going around not knowing exactly what is defined in the agreement? It is not just about this agreement; it is about other agreements as well.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Colm Burke: Does Mr. Bakhurst accept that it was sloppy practice?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Colm Burke: I want to move on to the issue of Dee Forbes and the issue of her leaving. I want to ask Ms Ní Raghallaigh about the duty of care that all employers have to their employees and to everyone who has left. What structure is in place for RTÉ to give support to employees who are leaving in this scenario? Dee Forbes only had six weeks to go so why ask someone to resign? Would it not...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Colm Burke: Paragraph 2.2(g)of the Grant Thornton report at states: "The Director General was not involved in the drafting, signing or implementation of this agreement (being the Tri-partite)." I asked during our previous hearing for the list of all of the people who were involved in that agreement and I have not received it.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Colm Burke: I asked for the list of people who were involved in the making of that agreement and I have not received it.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): RTÉ (13 Jul 2023)

Colm Burke: The tripartite agreement. I specifically asked for that the last day because the Grant Thornton report states at paragraph 2.2(g): "The Director General was not involved in the drafting, signing or implementation of this agreement (being the Tri-partite)."

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