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Committee on Health and Children: Select Sub-Committee on Health: Estimates for Public Services 2013
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive (Supplementary)
(12 Dec 2013)

Jerry Buttimer: I appreciate that.

Committee on Health and Children: Select Sub-Committee on Health: Estimates for Public Services 2013
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive (Supplementary)
(12 Dec 2013)

Jerry Buttimer: I do not expect the Minister to be familiar with that. The point Deputy Kelleher makes, with which I agree, is that the service delivery should be conditional on the organisations living up to their side of the bargain in terms of living within the means they are given by the HSE.

Committee on Health and Children: Select Sub-Committee on Health: Estimates for Public Services 2013
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive (Supplementary)
(12 Dec 2013)

Jerry Buttimer: Those are not under subhead B4.

Committee on Health and Children: Select Sub-Committee on Health: Estimates for Public Services 2013
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive (Supplementary)
(12 Dec 2013)

Jerry Buttimer: That remark is uncalled for. We are talking about subhead B4.

Committee on Health and Children: Select Sub-Committee on Health: Estimates for Public Services 2013
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive (Supplementary)
(12 Dec 2013)

Jerry Buttimer: It is subhead B4 now.

Committee on Health and Children: Select Sub-Committee on Health: Estimates for Public Services 2013
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive (Supplementary)
(12 Dec 2013)

Jerry Buttimer: I appreciate that. That is not in question.

Committee on Health and Children: Select Sub-Committee on Health: Estimates for Public Services 2013
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive (Supplementary)
(12 Dec 2013)

Jerry Buttimer: That is not in question.

Committee on Health and Children: Select Sub-Committee on Health: Estimates for Public Services 2013
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive (Supplementary)
(12 Dec 2013)

Jerry Buttimer: With respect, the Chair is always fair to members in the committee. We are dealing with subhead B4,-----

Committee on Health and Children: Select Sub-Committee on Health: Estimates for Public Services 2013
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive (Supplementary)
(12 Dec 2013)

Jerry Buttimer: -----on the west and Deputy Ó Caoláin referred to the CRC.

Committee on Health and Children: Select Sub-Committee on Health: Estimates for Public Services 2013
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive (Supplementary)
(12 Dec 2013)

Jerry Buttimer: Deputy Ó Caoláin should not accuse me of being unfair in the Chair because I have always protected all members in the Chair.

Committee on Health and Children: Select Sub-Committee on Health: Estimates for Public Services 2013
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive (Supplementary)
(12 Dec 2013)

Jerry Buttimer: As Deputy Ó Caoláin knows full well, I have always protected all members of the committee. I have always been impartial in the Chair. I resent and reject that remark. I ask Deputy Ó Caoláin to note that.

Committee on Health and Children: Select Sub-Committee on Health: Estimates for Public Services 2013
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive (Supplementary)
(12 Dec 2013)

Jerry Buttimer: I have always been fair in the Chair.

Committee on Health and Children: Select Sub-Committee on Health: Estimates for Public Services 2013
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive (Supplementary)
(12 Dec 2013)

Jerry Buttimer: Deputy Ó Caoláin should not push me either.

Committee on Health and Children: Select Sub-Committee on Health: Estimates for Public Services 2013
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive (Supplementary)
(12 Dec 2013)

Jerry Buttimer: I am being fair.

Committee on Health and Children: Select Sub-Committee on Health: Estimates for Public Services 2013
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive (Supplementary)
(12 Dec 2013)

Jerry Buttimer: I am protecting all members.

Committee on Health and Children: Select Sub-Committee on Health: Estimates for Public Services 2013
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive (Supplementary)
(12 Dec 2013)

Jerry Buttimer: We have strayed into subhead B5 on that matter. Under that subhead, members of the committee are very concerned and disappointed about what happened regarding the section 38 and 39 agencies, about which we have spoken already. In my view the positions of the board members of the Central Remedial Clinical, based on yesterday's proceedings and the remarks made by Deputy Ó Caoláin,...

Committee on Health and Children: Select Sub-Committee on Health: Estimates for Public Services 2013
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive (Supplementary)
(12 Dec 2013)

Jerry Buttimer: We all concur with that.

Committee on Health and Children: Select Sub-Committee on Health: Estimates for Public Services 2013
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive (Supplementary)
(12 Dec 2013)

Jerry Buttimer: I am not going to pick a fight with the Deputy but I am advised that because the Committee of Public Accounts is dealing with this issue that, under Standing Orders, neither we nor the Minister are allowed to discuss it until the Committee of Public Accounts has concluded its investigation. I cannot ask the Minister to answer that question because, under Standing Orders, the Committee of...

Committee on Health and Children: Select Sub-Committee on Health: Estimates for Public Services 2013
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive (Supplementary)
(12 Dec 2013)

Jerry Buttimer: Sorry, Deputy-----

Committee on Health and Children: Select Sub-Committee on Health: Estimates for Public Services 2013
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive (Supplementary)
(12 Dec 2013)

Jerry Buttimer: Under Standing Orders, I am advised that we cannot discuss this matter.

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