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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (24 May 2018)

Marc MacSharry: The legislation provides for guidelines. I asked the gentleman from education which section of the Act prescribed that and he quoted the section of the Act which allowed for the making of the guidelines. Guidelines are just that, guidelines. This is in the interests of all of the people. As I said at the meeting, even if all of the allegations were vexatious, why would everyone not be...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (24 May 2018)

Marc MacSharry: How much teasing out do we want?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (24 May 2018)

Marc MacSharry: Does the Chairman not want to do this?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (24 May 2018)

Marc MacSharry: There is an inconsistency in that to be fair.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (24 May 2018)

Marc MacSharry: Three of us just made a proposal and engaged to decide to refer something to the health committee looking for a response.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (24 May 2018)

Marc MacSharry: I made a proposal based on three hearings over a year and we are kicking it down the line.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (24 May 2018)

Marc MacSharry: I did not say that either.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (24 May 2018)

Marc MacSharry: I did not say that.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (24 May 2018)

Marc MacSharry: I did not say that. If an allegation is made against me, I am not the one to investigate it.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (24 May 2018)

Marc MacSharry: The point was made but nothing is happening about it. The Chairman is indicating to me that he is not in favour of an independent investigation of this. If he is not, he is not.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (24 May 2018)

Marc MacSharry: I did not say that either.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (24 May 2018)

Marc MacSharry: That is into our next report. If the Chairman does not want to take my proposal now, take it the next day. It is that an independent investigation be carried out either by the Department or the HEA into what we now believe to be one to three protected disclosures because of the interpretation. The first of those is the one where the KPMG report was. If one goes through the transcript, we...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (24 May 2018)

Marc MacSharry: Let us park it to the next meeting. That is a formal proposal. I am sure it can be taken from the transcript.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (24 May 2018)

Marc MacSharry: It is there.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (24 May 2018)

Marc MacSharry: What do I have to email in? I have said it three times now.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (24 May 2018)

Marc MacSharry: The other thing is that we decided as a committee in principle to contact the legal team for a mortgage debt advocate in relation to the IBRC liquidation and the case being taken against the State. We agreed to go ahead with that but I had suggested we would ask the Office of the Parliamentary Legal Advisor for a view just before doing so. It is not that the advice will dictate our view but...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (24 May 2018)

Marc MacSharry: I do not need them to be here. I just want their view on it. On that, I note that when the Department of Health wrote to the CPP last week to try to stop the Chairman proceeding with the meeting, by 5 p.m. that evening the Office of the Parliamentary Legal Advisor had a full legal position. That took a matter of hours but it is weeks since I brought this up. Is there a problem? Did we...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (24 May 2018)

Marc MacSharry: I am not saying we will be guided by that.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (24 May 2018)

Marc MacSharry: In the interest of the State, in the interest of value for money which is our work here, given the costs of the IBRC liquidation and the fact that we had a recommendation in our last report, I have reasons to believe that if we made contact with this person and asked him if he would like to engage with us, that we can ask pertinent questions, and would that allow him to pull back from your...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (24 May 2018)

Marc MacSharry: To do the rugby video TMO, one should be careful what question one asks. The question I ask is, "Is there anything wrong legally with us doing this?", as opposed to "Give us lots of reasons why not to do it". It is, "Can we award the try?", as opposed to, "Give us an analysis of the game?"

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