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Seanad: Energy (Windfall Gains in the Energy Sector) (Temporary Solidarity Contribution) Bill 2023: Committee and Remaining Stages (11 Jul 2023)

Gerry Horkan: Before we commence our scheduled business, I welcome Georgina McAuliffe and Lorraine and Irene Lawlor to the Gallery. Their father, George Lawlor, served as the election agent to former Minister and Member of both Houses of the Oireachtas, Noel Browne. They are welcome. I hope they enjoy their day in Leinster House with Deputy McAuliffe. I welcome the Minister of State, Deputy Ossian...

Seanad: Energy (Windfall Gains in the Energy Sector) (Temporary Solidarity Contribution) Bill 2023: Committee and Remaining Stages (11 Jul 2023)

Gerry Horkan: Amendment No. 3 in the name of Senators Boylan, Gavan, Ó Donnghaile and Warfield has been ruled out of order due to a potential charge on the people, as have amendments Nos. 4 to 7, inclusive.

Seanad: Energy (Windfall Gains in the Energy Sector) (Temporary Solidarity Contribution) Bill 2023: Committee and Remaining Stages (11 Jul 2023)

Gerry Horkan: Amendment No. 8 in the names of Senators Boylan, Gavan, Ó Donnghaile and Warfield has been ruled out of order due to a potential charge on the people.

Seanad: Energy (Windfall Gains in the Energy Sector) (Temporary Solidarity Contribution) Bill 2023: Committee and Remaining Stages (11 Jul 2023)

Gerry Horkan: Amendment No. 12 has been ruled out of order due to a potential charge on the people.

Seanad: Energy (Windfall Gains in the Energy Sector) (Temporary Solidarity Contribution) Bill 2023: Committee and Remaining Stages (11 Jul 2023)

Gerry Horkan: Amendment No. 13 has been ruled out of order due to a potential charge on Revenue.

Seanad: Energy (Windfall Gains in the Energy Sector) (Temporary Solidarity Contribution) Bill 2023: Committee and Remaining Stages (11 Jul 2023)

Gerry Horkan: We started two minutes late.

Seanad: Energy (Windfall Gains in the Energy Sector) (Temporary Solidarity Contribution) Bill 2023: Committee and Remaining Stages (11 Jul 2023)

Gerry Horkan: When is it proposed to take Report Stage?

Seanad: Energy (Windfall Gains in the Energy Sector) (Temporary Solidarity Contribution) Bill 2023: Committee and Remaining Stages (11 Jul 2023)

Gerry Horkan: Is that agreed? Agreed.

Seanad: Energy (Windfall Gains in the Energy Sector) (Temporary Solidarity Contribution) Bill 2023: Committee and Remaining Stages (11 Jul 2023)

Gerry Horkan: When is it proposed to take Fifth Stage?

Seanad: Energy (Windfall Gains in the Energy Sector) (Temporary Solidarity Contribution) Bill 2023: Committee and Remaining Stages (11 Jul 2023)

Gerry Horkan: I thank the Members for their co-operation and I thank the Minister of State, Deputy Ossian Smyth, for being here.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Decarbonisation Strategy for Aviation and Shipping Sectors: Minister of State at the Department of Transport (12 Jul 2023)

Gerry Horkan: The purpose of today's meeting is for the joint committee to discuss decarbonising the hard-to-abate sectors of both shipping and aviation, how to boost the uptake of sustainable fuels and maintain affordability and competitiveness at the same time. I am pleased to welcome the Minister of State at the Department of Transport, Deputy Chambers, and his officials. I will read a note on...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Decarbonisation Strategy for Aviation and Shipping Sectors: Minister of State at the Department of Transport (12 Jul 2023)

Gerry Horkan: I thank the Minister of State. We will now go to the members. Senator Doherty is taking the first slot on behalf of Deputy Joe Carey.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Decarbonisation Strategy for Aviation and Shipping Sectors: Minister of State at the Department of Transport (12 Jul 2023)

Gerry Horkan: I thank Senator Doherty. Deputy Crowe may proceed as he is next to speak. I can give the Deputy some time if he wants and I can call Senator Dooley first.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Decarbonisation Strategy for Aviation and Shipping Sectors: Minister of State at the Department of Transport (12 Jul 2023)

Gerry Horkan: It is amazing how we can move from aviation to talking about a road in Clare.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Decarbonisation Strategy for Aviation and Shipping Sectors: Minister of State at the Department of Transport (12 Jul 2023)

Gerry Horkan: I understand that refers to aviation and shipping combined.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Decarbonisation Strategy for Aviation and Shipping Sectors: Minister of State at the Department of Transport (12 Jul 2023)

Gerry Horkan: NH3, I think it was.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Decarbonisation Strategy for Aviation and Shipping Sectors: Minister of State at the Department of Transport (12 Jul 2023)

Gerry Horkan: I thank Deputy Crowe very much. It is my slot now and I have a few questions. This topic we are discussing today is on foot of an interparliamentary committee meeting in Brussels I attended on behalf of this committee and Parliament regarding the hard-to-abate sectors. It was very interesting to hear the different perspectives from countries that were also contributing. Representatives...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Decarbonisation Strategy for Aviation and Shipping Sectors: Minister of State at the Department of Transport (12 Jul 2023)

Gerry Horkan: To re-emphasise, all the things we do at an airport are aviation related. You may end up on an Aer Lingus aeroplane that, at 10 o'clock on a Sunday night, is turning right to the south gates and, all of a sudden, you are getting on a bus that brings you all over the place before you finally get to the gates for passport control.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Decarbonisation Strategy for Aviation and Shipping Sectors: Minister of State at the Department of Transport (12 Jul 2023)

Gerry Horkan: The Minister of State can find the figures afterwards if he does not have them. It is interesting.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Decarbonisation Strategy for Aviation and Shipping Sectors: Minister of State at the Department of Transport (12 Jul 2023)

Gerry Horkan: They are very impressive figures, to be fair.

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