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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Bus Driver Recruitment: Discussion (5 Jul 2023)

Gerry Horkan: And this is another three to six weeks.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Bus Driver Recruitment: Discussion (5 Jul 2023)

Gerry Horkan: That is good and an improvement, but even at that it is still three weeks.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Bus Driver Recruitment: Discussion (5 Jul 2023)

Gerry Horkan: They passed their test.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Bus Driver Recruitment: Discussion (5 Jul 2023)

Gerry Horkan: That will have been their first test.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Bus Driver Recruitment: Discussion (5 Jul 2023)

Gerry Horkan: Go-Ahead Ireland is still waiting approximately five weeks for the CPC card.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Bus Driver Recruitment: Discussion (5 Jul 2023)

Gerry Horkan: How long does that take?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Bus Driver Recruitment: Discussion (5 Jul 2023)

Gerry Horkan: It is therefore fair to say that it takes the guts of ten weeks. If that time could be shaved off, people could get into the system the guts of ten weeks faster than they are now. They are being paid for some of that time but not all of it. The system is missing out on people who could be driving five weeks earlier because the CPC is taking five weeks.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Bus Driver Recruitment: Discussion (5 Jul 2023)

Gerry Horkan: If they were able to get their test earlier, they could be on the road earlier. They could have been qualified to drive much quicker. Is that fair to say?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Bus Driver Recruitment: Discussion (5 Jul 2023)

Gerry Horkan: That topic has taken up nearly all of my five minutes.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Bus Driver Recruitment: Discussion (5 Jul 2023)

Gerry Horkan: No, it is fine. I wanted to come in first because that is the crux of the matter. The NTA, to a greater or lesser extent, funds operations, although not so much in the case of Go-Ahead Ireland. The State funds Bus Éireann and other companies. On one side, the NTA is trying to get more drivers, while, on the other side, the RSA, through the NDLS, is not making it as easy as it could...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Bus Driver Recruitment: Discussion (5 Jul 2023)

Gerry Horkan: While we genuinely brought the representatives before the committee to discuss bus driver recruitment, once they are in the room, they generally considered to be fair game. I will protect them from the worst effects of our members. The Senator's contribution was fairly reasonable. Does anybody want to respond first to Senator Doherty?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Bus Driver Recruitment: Discussion (5 Jul 2023)

Gerry Horkan: Mr. Edwards was telling us that was the first Go-Ahead service in the Dublin network.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Bus Driver Recruitment: Discussion (5 Jul 2023)

Gerry Horkan: We remember these things. Logistically, it is the furthest place from the company's depot------

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Bus Driver Recruitment: Discussion (5 Jul 2023)

Gerry Horkan: -----so if something goes wrong there, it is just a bigger problem.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Bus Driver Recruitment: Discussion (5 Jul 2023)

Gerry Horkan: We have had that discussion before. Not only is the information inaccurate but we get three different versions of it. The TFI app says one thing. The Dublin Bus app says something else, and then the screen at the bus stop will say something else. At least it could be consistently wrong. Then the bus would not turn up at all.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Bus Driver Recruitment: Discussion (5 Jul 2023)

Gerry Horkan: Deputy Crowe is stretching it now, but he should go on.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Bus Driver Recruitment: Discussion (5 Jul 2023)

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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Bus Driver Recruitment: Discussion (5 Jul 2023)

Gerry Horkan: Please share, Mr. Hann. We would be interested to know the reasons.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Bus Driver Recruitment: Discussion (5 Jul 2023)

Gerry Horkan: In certain countries like Germany, becoming a mechanic or going into car manufacturing is seen as really good but the focus sometimes is to get everyone to go to a university or a technological university. While there are good jobs in trades - building, carpentry, plumbing, electrician and so on - people are almost being led down the path of having to go to university. Mr. Hann's point is...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Bus Driver Recruitment: Discussion (5 Jul 2023)

Gerry Horkan: I know it is not Bus Éireann's fault and the company is just implementing the regulation from the Department. Does Mr. Kent want to comment on the number of drivers Bus Éireann is losing out of the system every year as they approach 70?

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