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Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Catherine Murphy: How much is that again?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Catherine Murphy: The amount that comes through accident and emergency departments-----

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Catherine Murphy: Is the HSE introducing any common policy on this? I do not imagine the person who came to me was just picked out of the blue. It must have been the approach of the individual hospital and it was aggressive. There is no doubt in my mind it was aggressive. Then we heard other stories. I went privately to the Minister and gave the information to him and said I was concerned about this....

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Catherine Murphy: There is something driving this behaviour. I am really just trying to focus on this one particular aspect, not the whole health insurance issue.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Catherine Murphy: I have just a couple of further questions

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Catherine Murphy: I thank Mr. O'Brien for that. Returning to his opening statement, and carrying on from the session this morning, is there a contingent liability included in the HSE accounts in respect of legal or other matters?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Catherine Murphy: I am not talking about the individual cases, just generally.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Catherine Murphy: What is the amount?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Catherine Murphy: Where does the money physically get handed over?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Catherine Murphy: It is not Monopoly money. We need to be able to scrutinise it. That is in the small print, but I accept that it is included in a couple of other sections of the report which I will read in more detail. It all has to come out of the health Vote. Very often liability drives behaviour, for example, in the case we discussed this morning. There is a correlation in that if one anticipates this...

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Catherine Murphy: An actuarial assessment will not be completely without foundation; it is projecting from something. We are all familiar with cases taken in which there was fault at birth and claims are settled as a consequence. Sometimes they are unavoidable, but sometimes people seek services rather than a payment. If it was felt services would be provided throughout the lifetime of the person damaged,...

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Catherine Murphy: When the HSE gives us the information, can the director general also see if we can have the legal fee aspect separated out.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Catherine Murphy: Yes. I will come back to this matter.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Catherine Murphy: I ask the Chairman to keep me on his list because I wish to raise one little thing.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Catherine Murphy: With regard to the various therapy services, including speech and language therapy, occupational therapy and psychological services, some years ago the public service cap on recruitment was lifted to provide staff for these services. There were approximately 210 posts nationally and the calculations were made based on the level of provision nationally. I have a very strong memory of it...

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Catherine Murphy: The funding is essentially there for it.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Catherine Murphy: Is it repeated?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Catherine Murphy: The population growth is a dynamic thing.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Catherine Murphy: So the HSE would really need to look at changes in demographics from the census of population and matters of that nature. It is not necessarily factored in.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Catherine Murphy: I had conversations with several people who are seeking these posts and who are on panels. Mr. O'Brien is saying there will be a problem with attracting people in the future. There is already a problem. It does not seem a very satisfactory arrangement for people who are seeking posts.

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