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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (15 Jun 2017)

Catherine Murphy: Is there a system in place for the HSE in relation to eProcurement?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (15 Jun 2017)

Catherine Murphy: In the local government system in the UK what they did was have an amalgamation and they used a collaborative approach. They were different organisations. This is one organisation. That is the point I am making, not just about eTenders but about-----

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Catherine Murphy: Can Mr. O'Brien remember the date that he was before the committee when he said that the report was imminent?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Catherine Murphy: How long ago was it?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Catherine Murphy: Mr. O'Brien said that the report was imminent at that stage. What information did he have to suggest that?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Catherine Murphy: Where did Mr. O'Brien get that information from?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Catherine Murphy: Is this the first time Mr. O'Brien has commissioned a report of this nature?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Catherine Murphy: When Mr. O'Brien tells us that this is the way things work, he has some understanding that a draft report is issued, people are asked for comment, and all that. Did Mr. O'Brien have any knowledge of the process as it was at that time when he said the report was imminent? Was he aware that people had been consulted at that stage? That appears to be quite a long part of the finalisation of...

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Catherine Murphy: Mr. O'Brien came to the committee and told us that this report was imminent. We were expecting to see the report imminently.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Catherine Murphy: Imminently within weeks. Was Mr. O'Brien misled in terms of where the report was at the time?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Catherine Murphy: Since the report, a number of things have happened. Since the previous time Mr. O'Brien was before the committee, we were expecting the report to be issued imminently. We then had a meeting in private session with the whistleblower, and then there was a High Court case, which came as a bit of a surprise to some of us. I do not think that was referred to at the particular meeting in...

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Catherine Murphy: Would that have been a consideration of any kind?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Catherine Murphy: What was the component in the High Court case that was identified by the independent auditor relating to the underfunding of the care?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Catherine Murphy: I presume that the €600,000 has been transferred to the service provider.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Catherine Murphy: Essentially the whistleblower and the care provider were saying that they were being underfunded and it was compromising the care of Grace. The court accepted that and provided further funding. Is that correct?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Catherine Murphy: Is it not an awful pity that it took a High Court case to bring people to a point where they accepted that there was underfunding of the care of a very vulnerable person? That High Court case would have been a very expensive exercise and €500,000 was spent on the production of some of the reports. It strikes me that if the proper care had been provided in the first place, all this...

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Catherine Murphy: Clearly not, according to the HSE.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Catherine Murphy: Was it negotiated because that was the best legal route in terms of bringing the case to a conclusion?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Catherine Murphy: I doubt that Grace would understand an apology. Judging by the engagement-----

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statements 2015 and 2016
Clarification of Matters Relating to Meeting of 2 February 2016
(15 Jun 2017)

Catherine Murphy: As the High Court settlement makes very obvious, what Grace actually needed was that the people who were in the position to provide for her care would have provided appropriate funding and placement for her. It is very clear that there were very significant failings in this regard.

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