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Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(14 Jun 2017)

Catherine Murphy: I want to go back again to the internal audit report and the progress report on the financial procedures in the Garda College, which comes out of this. We know Mr. Dunne has not read it, but has everybody else read this? I take it everybody accepts the findings. We had the head of internal audit in here with us two weeks ago and he surprised us with his opening statement's strength and...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(14 Jun 2017)

Catherine Murphy: I have very limited time here. Expanding on it will not change that significantly. Assistant Commissioner McMahon stated that nobody personally gained.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(14 Jun 2017)

Catherine Murphy: If I go down to the post office tomorrow morning because my neighbour has problems paying his mortgage and I rob the post office to pay my next-door neighbour's mortgage, I will not personally gain from that, but it does not mean it is right, does it? Would Ms McMahon accept that there was funding provided by vote of the Dáil to the Garda College for a particular purpose and it was not...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(14 Jun 2017)

Catherine Murphy: A point Mr. Barrett made in his report to which Deputy Cullinane also drew attention is that, "As a consequence, accounts signed by the Commissioner since 2005 [we have got to remember that the Commissioner is the Accounting Officer] are apparently compromised as the practice of retaining funds originating from the vote in private accounts has prevailed." We know that there have been some...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(14 Jun 2017)

Catherine Murphy: We were told earlier that the accounts cannot be amended, that the accounts are the accounts. If those accounts are found not to have been correct, then they are compromised. In the report he co-authored, Mr. McGee referred to the Garda Sportsfield account. Mr. Culhane came before the committee last week and it relates to this. I accept the point Mr. McGee makes that he picked it up at a...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(14 Jun 2017)

Catherine Murphy: Would the person who had responsibility for the college, I presume at chief superintendent level, have been informed of this report or would it have stayed with Mr. Culhane? Can anyone-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(14 Jun 2017)

Catherine Murphy: So the Commissioner wanted something done about it. It went back down to an assistant commissioner and nothing happened. Has there been any follow through?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(14 Jun 2017)

Catherine Murphy: On the transition from 2005, in circumstances where the Commissioner took over responsibility as the Accounting Officer - this is probably as much to do with the Department and Garda or the Commissioner - if one were to take over something and take responsibility for it, one would want to go through what was in place at that time and identify any possible risks. One would want to know what...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(14 Jun 2017)

Catherine Murphy: That would be important because then we can see if any of this was captured at that stage because it is very clear that the Commissioner cannot own land and cannot be a director. There are things that should have been identified in terms of that changeover.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(14 Jun 2017)

Catherine Murphy: Is that document available? I do not know if we got that.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(14 Jun 2017)

Catherine Murphy: I had a reply from the Department of Justice and Equality regarding bank accounts which indicates that, with the commencement of section 29 of the 2005 Act, no requests for ministerial consent regarding opening accounts were received in the Department and no consents have issued. Can Mr. Ó Cualáin remind us if accounts were opened after that?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(14 Jun 2017)

Catherine Murphy: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(14 Jun 2017)

Catherine Murphy: They were prior to that.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(14 Jun 2017)

Catherine Murphy: The email to which Deputy Mary Lou McDonald jreferred states something that causes me confusion.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(14 Jun 2017)

Catherine Murphy: It is on this very point. It asked if the allowance type payment had been described correctly. It states that when students are on holiday, the allowance is paid directly to them and that when they are stationed in stations, it is paid to the imprest account to cover things. There is great confusion about this.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (15 Jun 2017)

Catherine Murphy: Fair is fair.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (15 Jun 2017)

Catherine Murphy: Could I ask one further question? We were supposed to get a document from the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform about wards of court. Did we receive that?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (15 Jun 2017)

Catherine Murphy: Right. I did not pick up on that. Is the issue on our work programme to follow up on it?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (15 Jun 2017)

Catherine Murphy: Okay.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (15 Jun 2017)

Catherine Murphy: Yes.

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