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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 May 2017)

David Cullinane: Will the Chairman expand on what we will do on 25 May and what the structure will be?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 May 2017)

David Cullinane: Very good.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 May 2017)

David Cullinane: It is great to see that my constituency colleague is paying such close attention to my work and that of Teachta McDonald on the committee.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 May 2017)

David Cullinane: There was also a great deal of noise and many comments coming from people in the Visitors Gallery. I appreciate passions were high and there are many strong opinions but that can disrupt our work. It can be seen as disrespectful to witnesses, irrespective of the questions put. We put the questions fairly and robustly. It was difficult from that perspective and it is something we need to...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 May 2017)

David Cullinane: I would like the Comptroller and Auditor General's view on this as well, because I am not sure whether his office was aware of this case. It raised a very serious issue for me in that there is the potential of some boards saying that they complied with the SIPO Act and regulations by simply referring issues on. However, unless they make a complaint, SIPO is not obliged to carry out an...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 May 2017)

David Cullinane: As a case study, it shows that there are clear process failures. In my view, a number of different agencies did not act in the way we would expect them to. The Family Support Agency is gone as it is subsumed into Tusla. In view of this we should write to Tusla at the very least and outline our concerns on this matter and on how there is a difference between reporting a complaint and making...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 May 2017)

David Cullinane: We should focus on the procurement issues, if the witness were to come before the committee. I originally supported having the witness before the committee and I still do. I understood that we were to get legal advice. Has that been done? What is the legal advice?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 May 2017)

David Cullinane: I did not request the advice. I believe she should be invited and other members can express their view.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 May 2017)

David Cullinane: One second, Chairman-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 May 2017)

David Cullinane: The Chairman used the word “misled”.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 May 2017)

David Cullinane: We need to hear from the Comptroller and Auditor General to know if we were misled.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 May 2017)

David Cullinane: Before we proceed, and before we have more meetings and invite in more witnesses, my view is we need to be very clear as a committee about what it is we are doing. A committee established by the Commissioner is examining a number of issues. Internal audit is still doing its work; what we have received is an interim report and it must conclude its work. Mr. Kelly said this will not be done...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 May 2017)

David Cullinane: Would it be possible to have a short report at the next meeting - I use the word "report" loosely - setting out the documentation which has been sought? The interim internal audit report cites all of the documentation anyway. We may have additional documentation we are seeking. Maybe we could contact the clerk to make our own requests. I suggest that at the next meeting, after we have...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 May 2017)

David Cullinane: I hope my proposal can be agreed.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 May 2017)

David Cullinane: There is a bigger issue here-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 May 2017)

David Cullinane: The real issue is that what was included afterwards was not in the original SIFC. When the insertion was made, was there an obligation on the Accounting Officer to re-sign it? Should there be a note to say additional information had been included?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 May 2017)

David Cullinane: In this case the figures did not change. Is the Comptroller and Auditor General saying there is no obligation on her to re-sign?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 May 2017)

David Cullinane: I fully accept that the Chairman raised these issues in good faith. I accept the unusual circumstances that prevailed that the Comptroller and Auditor General alerted us to. The difficulty is that this has made national headlines and we may need to go further than correcting the record of the Committee of Public Accounts. I am not sure if statements came from the Chairman in regard to this...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 May 2017)

David Cullinane: In the interest of fairness, it has to be restated that the Chairman was working from the dates with which he had been presented.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 May 2017)

David Cullinane: That has to be acknowledged as well.

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