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Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

David Cullinane: At the meeting of 30 September, it was raised under the order of business. A copy of the report was not submitted in advance to the members and there was an oral presentation. Was that the appropriate way to deal with it?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

David Cullinane: Was Mr. Howard head of the committee?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

David Cullinane: There is a pattern of a lack of action being taken over a long period and we are going to have to get as much documentation as we can. My final question is for the Commissioner. I have a different world view from her. I see things a little differently because I have listened to every answer she has given. When legislation is put in place, it applies to everybody. I have responsibilities...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

David Cullinane: With respect, we need to get more information on almost everything. It seems to me that if this happened in 2014, there must have been an acknowledgement within the corporate entity - either An Garda Síochána or the Garda college - that there were issues that it needed to start addressing by beginning to make payments back to the OPW. I want to know what triggered that. Why did...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

David Cullinane: I want the Commissioner to answer another question when she comes in. Given that most of the €128,000 that has to be repaid has been spent in areas where it should not have been spent, why is it acceptable for the taxpayer to have to foot the bill and that is the end of it as far as I can see? How can the Commissioner see that as acceptable?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

David Cullinane: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

David Cullinane: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

David Cullinane: I have to say with respect to the Commissioner that words mean nothing if they are not backed up by actions.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

David Cullinane: It is quite clear that there was a circling of the wagons. Does the Commissioner accept this report?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

David Cullinane: Does she accept the findings of the report?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

David Cullinane: Does the Commissioner understand in accepting those findings that they include multiple breaches of legislation by An Garda Síochána?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

David Cullinane: Does the Commissioner accept that the law was broken?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

David Cullinane: In Mr. Kelly's opinion, were there breaches of legislation by serving or former members of An Garda Síochána?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

David Cullinane: Are we talking about directors of companies, landholdings, SIPO declarations or other issues?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

David Cullinane: Mr. Kelly wrote the report.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

David Cullinane: He cited the Acts that he believes were breached.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

David Cullinane: Mr. Kelly's view is that there were breaches.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

David Cullinane: The Commissioner has said she accepts the report. Does she accept Mr. Kelly's assertion that there were breaches of law?

Order of Business (9 May 2017)

David Cullinane: The Government does it often enough.

Order of Business (9 May 2017)

David Cullinane: On a point of order, I had signalled well in advance of many of the Members who came in but I will take my opportunity now and will raise that matter directly with the Ceann Comhairle later. Last week, I raised with the Taoiseach the issue of his failure to deal with the issue of equal pay for equal work in the public sector and the impact that is having on services in hospitals and other...

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