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Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (4 May 2017)

David Cullinane: Is he the person who made the decision not to give the report?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (4 May 2017)

David Cullinane: I have questions about breaches in law which I will deal with very quickly but the final issue in respect of the report is that it was not just that meeting, it was raised again in September only under order of business, which is extraordinary.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (4 May 2017)

David Cullinane: I am referring to the meeting of 30 September.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (4 May 2017)

David Cullinane: I am reading from the internal audit itself where it says that it was mentioned under any other business and that copies of the report were not circulated to the committee members. Given that it was a serious report, is Mr. Ó Cualáin seriously telling me that it merited being raised under any other business?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (4 May 2017)

David Cullinane: Can Mr. Ó Cualáin see on page 16 where it says that at the audit committee meeting on 30 September the chief administrative officer gave an oral account of some of the issues under any other business? It is stated the report was not circulated to the committee.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (4 May 2017)

David Cullinane: I want to move on to the breaches in law very quickly but before I do, I wish to state that we need copies of all the reports-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (4 May 2017)

David Cullinane: May I finish first?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (4 May 2017)

David Cullinane: It is not just copies of reports but also any correspondence between the Commissioner and all of the different individuals who are cited where there was an exchange of papers and reports and minutes of meetings that took place. Mr. Ó Cualáin said there was an extensive discussion at the committee meeting.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (4 May 2017)

David Cullinane: We need all of those minutes, correspondence and copies of the reports.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (4 May 2017)

David Cullinane: The final issue I want to raise relates to breaches in law. I am sure the Commissioner will accept that legislation is put in place for people to follow, implement and abide by and that any breach of legislation is essentially a breach in law. Is that the case? If one does not follow legislation it is potentially a breach in law.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (4 May 2017)

David Cullinane: Potentially, yes. On page 4 of the report it is stated that "the issues identified in this report are serious and present considerable risk to the organisation and should be dealt with in an open and transparent manner." On page 6 it is stated that Garda HRM would have to remind staff who are directors of Garda College Sports Field Company limited of their legal obligations to provide...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (4 May 2017)

David Cullinane: That is what the report states. Would that represent a breach in law?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (4 May 2017)

David Cullinane: On page 17 it is stated An Garda Síochána did not have the authority to enter into an arrangement in terms of the Dromad farm because that was in contravention of section 29(3) of the Garda Síochána Act. That provision prohibits An Garda Síochána from entering into contracts relating to land. It states that money raised was to be transferred to the Office of...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (4 May 2017)

David Cullinane: The point I was making was that the internal audit cites breaches in legislation time and again. I was not looking for excuses around whether people own farms. What I am saying is that this is the report I am working from. Over and over, the report I have cited documents, potentially, several breaches of different Acts by members of An Garda Síochána. Who examines that? Who...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (4 May 2017)

David Cullinane: I think I am reading this correctly. Perhaps the Comptroller and Auditor General can confirm the point. With respect, the report states that €126,000 needs to be transferred from the An Garda Síochána Vote to the OPW because the money was collected. We now know that much of that money was spent on things like donations and gifts to members of An Garda Síochána....

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (4 May 2017)

David Cullinane: I am also troubled by the Commissioner's comments. There have been several references to the information in the report not having been properly tested, which could suggest the Commissioner does not accept the internal audit report.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (4 May 2017)

David Cullinane: Why was the Garda Commissioner in communication with Mr. Kelly and Mr. Nugent in preparing for this meeting? That indicates that witnesses were having discussions about what they might say before they came into a meeting of the Committee of Public Accounts. Why would the Commissioner be in discussion with Mr. Kelly and Mr. Nugent?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (4 May 2017)

David Cullinane: Which report was this?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (4 May 2017)

David Cullinane: Was that paragraph not deleted?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (4 May 2017)

David Cullinane: At page 14 of the report it says that of the six points agreed in correspondence between the Commissioner and the CAO, none was implemented. That is on page 14 of the report.