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Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (31 May 2017)

Catherine Murphy: I am just reflecting what the witness said.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (31 May 2017)

Catherine Murphy: There are people who have to sign off on things. One can have incompetent people but then one can have people at very high levels, very well paid people, who have to sign off on things. That is where the buck stops.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (31 May 2017)

Catherine Murphy: Incompetence at lower levels is a different thing entirely. Reference was also made to the whole area of corporate governance and compliance, matters that are not in the criminal code perhaps and are regarded as low-level concerns. That is how it comes across to me. This is An Garda Síochána we are talking about here.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (31 May 2017)

Catherine Murphy: What are these corporate governance issues in breach of? Are they in breach of the law?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (31 May 2017)

Catherine Murphy: What about the money that is voted now? I am sorry to put all of these questions to Mr. Kelly as I know that it is Mr. Culhane who has responsibility for finance. Mr. Kelly's responsibility is to interrogate Mr. Culhane's work and Mr. Howard's role is to oversee or to qualify what Mr. Kelly has done. But there is criminal law and there is civil law. There are corporate elements in civil law.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (31 May 2017)

Catherine Murphy: Are there breaches of corporate law? Did the witness see them?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (31 May 2017)

Catherine Murphy: In other words, there are offences in all of this.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (31 May 2017)

Catherine Murphy: So one can break the law and there is no offence?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (31 May 2017)

Catherine Murphy: So they get struck off and the like, there are minor issues.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (31 May 2017)

Catherine Murphy: An accountant, for example, would have membership of an organisation associated with their profession with which they would have to comply. Is that correct? So there are things to be complied with?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (31 May 2017)

Catherine Murphy: Mr. Culhane had the oversight of all of this. The money that was voted here was his responsibility and ultimately that of the Commissioner as the Accounting Officer. So Mr. Culhane prepared all of this for the minute.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (31 May 2017)

Catherine Murphy: It is all very well talking about that in academic terms. The restaurant was the vehicle through which money was sent to a private company, the Sportsfield company, which Mr. Culhane has no responsibility for. Is that right? Mr. Culhane knew all of this. He referred to his own 2008 report. He had an overview of this. Returning to the point about outputs and outcomes, did it never occur...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (31 May 2017)

Catherine Murphy: What did the witness do after that to make sure it happened?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (31 May 2017)

Catherine Murphy: So he was the one who saw what I quoted earlier from Mr. Kelly's account. Does Mr. Barrett have a comment?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (31 May 2017)

Catherine Murphy: There is so much. I want to go back to the 2008 report, Mr. Culhane. In respect of the 2008 report we heard about Revenue and it was disclosed that the Garda Sportsfield Company was also used as a vehicle to develop the Garda college golf and leisure club. Revenue disallowed the claim because the club did not contract to develop the golf course. I do not know if anyone here was ever in a...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (31 May 2017)

Catherine Murphy: I am talking about the 2008 report.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (31 May 2017)

Catherine Murphy: Was Mr. Kelly aware that there was a Revenue audit?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (31 May 2017)

Catherine Murphy: Mr. Culhane mentioned the Revenue audit in his report.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (31 May 2017)

Catherine Murphy: Tax compliance would have been a sizeable issue after the experience with Revenue. The company would then have been on Revenue's radar as a consequence. Would that not be the case?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (31 May 2017)

Catherine Murphy: It would have paid particular attention to the company because of that.