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Select Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2015
Vote 20: An Garda Síochána (Supplementary)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Supplementary)
(2 Dec 2015)

David Stanton: If the Deputy looks at page 7 he will see that subhead B is perhaps more-----

Select Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2015
Vote 20: An Garda Síochána (Supplementary)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Supplementary)
(2 Dec 2015)

David Stanton: Some gardaí have approached me saying they wanted to stay in their role but had to retire.

Select Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2015
Vote 20: An Garda Síochána (Supplementary)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Supplementary)
(2 Dec 2015)

David Stanton: The Minister is straying into other matters. We will discuss the pensions subhead later.

Select Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2015
Vote 20: An Garda Síochána (Supplementary)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Supplementary)
(2 Dec 2015)

David Stanton: We will come back to that. We are on subhead A1. What does the change in the payment of allowances mean in practice, for instance, for Deputy O’Dowd’s constituents who are gardaí?

Select Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2015
Vote 20: An Garda Síochána (Supplementary)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Supplementary)
(2 Dec 2015)

David Stanton: We will move on to subhead A2 - administration - non-pay, for which an additional €29.1 million is required. I note that the money is required for critical IT systems and upfront investment in major investigations systems. Does Deputy Pádraig Mac Lochlainn wish to comment?

Select Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2015
Vote 20: An Garda Síochána (Supplementary)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Supplementary)
(2 Dec 2015)

David Stanton: Representatives of the Courts Service appeared before the committee last week The Courts Service is really under pressure on the ICT side. Its representatives told us the service was totally under funded.

Select Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2015
Vote 20: An Garda Síochána (Supplementary)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Supplementary)
(2 Dec 2015)

David Stanton: We will move on to subhead A3 - Clothing and Accessories. An additional €1.836 million is required for additional uniforms for student gardaí who commenced training this year. It was not anticipated at the start of the year that funding would be required for new recruits. This indicates that the estimated figures at the start of the year have risen. Will the Minister inform us...

Select Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2015
Vote 20: An Garda Síochána (Supplementary)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Supplementary)
(2 Dec 2015)

David Stanton: The next subhead is A5, which is transport. There is an additional €3.354 million there. It includes €6 million for new Garda vehicles and investments in high-powered vehicles in respect of anti-crime and anti-burglary initiatives, such as Operation Thor. They are offset by savings. Does anybody want to come in on that? There are no questions or comments on transport. Is...

Select Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2015
Vote 20: An Garda Síochána (Supplementary)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Supplementary)
(2 Dec 2015)

David Stanton: Will all these vehicles be replaced in 2015 as scheduled?

Select Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2015
Vote 20: An Garda Síochána (Supplementary)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Supplementary)
(2 Dec 2015)

David Stanton: We will move on to subhead A7, aircraft, which is €2.281 million. The additional requirement is due mainly to the replacement or upgrade of equipment and the Garda aircraft.

Select Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2015
Vote 20: An Garda Síochána (Supplementary)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Supplementary)
(2 Dec 2015)

David Stanton: Is anybody else offering? As nobody is offering, we will move to subhead A8, superannuation. There is €2.7 million required there, due to more lump sums falling due for payment in 2015 than provided for, including a carryover of payments from the end of 2014. This is people retiring.

Select Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2015
Vote 20: An Garda Síochána (Supplementary)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Supplementary)
(2 Dec 2015)

David Stanton: Deputy O'Dowd moved very cleverly from pensions to the training of recruits.

Select Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2015
Vote 20: An Garda Síochána (Supplementary)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Supplementary)
(2 Dec 2015)

David Stanton: As a matter of interest, we had a Private Members' Bill last week on abolishing mandatory retirement. It was mentioned that in other countries people are not asked for their age and they do not have to retire if they do not want to - they can carry on working. It was an interesting Bill, which got unanimous support, and we had some very powerful presentations. In light of Deputy O'Dowd's...

Select Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2015
Vote 20: An Garda Síochána (Supplementary)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Supplementary)
(2 Dec 2015)

David Stanton: How many more gardaí retired than anticipated? The document states, "The additional requirement is due to more lump sum payments falling due for payment in 2015 than provided including a carryover of payments from the end of 2014".

Select Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2015
Vote 20: An Garda Síochána (Supplementary)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Supplementary)
(2 Dec 2015)

David Stanton: On page 6, subhead A6 there is a saving of €1.7 million, which is to be reallocated from a subhead. It relates mainly to the capital expenditure on communications equipment which has been reprioritised to offset additional ICT investment. Are there any comments or questions on it?

Select Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2015
Vote 20: An Garda Síochána (Supplementary)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Supplementary)
(2 Dec 2015)

David Stanton: Under subhead A9, there was a relatively small saving on witnesses' expenses. It is a demand-led scheme and is very hard to predict. There was a saving of €155,000. Under subhead A10, there was a saving of €2.722 million in compensation due to a reduced number of larger awards falling due for payment in the current year. Subhead A12 was an underspend on the capital building...

Select Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2015
Vote 20: An Garda Síochána (Supplementary)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Supplementary)
(2 Dec 2015)

David Stanton: The next subhead is B, appropriations-in-aid. These include additional pension related contributions directly related to payroll and pension costs of approximately €4 million with the balance spread across a number of other non-pay receipt headings such as firearms and cash escort services.

Select Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2015
Vote 20: An Garda Síochána (Supplementary)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Supplementary)
(2 Dec 2015)

David Stanton: If it is related to appropriations-in-aid, it is in order. If not, the Deputy should hold it.

Select Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2015
Vote 20: An Garda Síochána (Supplementary)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Supplementary)
(2 Dec 2015)

David Stanton: This is a Supplementary Estimate whereby more money is being allocated to certain subheads, money has been saved on other subheads and the Exchequer is allocating extra funds to make up the balance.

Select Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2015
Vote 20: An Garda Síochána (Supplementary)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Supplementary)
(2 Dec 2015)

David Stanton: When we deal with the Estimates, the Deputy's issues can come into the debate. This is an extra bit of funding at the end of the year.

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