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Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

David Cullinane: It did.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

David Cullinane: The Commissioner has obviously read the internal audit report.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

David Cullinane: The Commissioner used the word "unacceptable". On page 3 of the executive summary it is stated the GIAS, the Garda internal audit section, "can provide no assurance that the internal management control systems in place to manage the finances at the Garda College are adequate". It also states there was "No assurance that the financial controls at the Garda College are compliant with Public...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

David Cullinane: I will stick with the Commissioner first to get her view.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

David Cullinane: If I need their assistance, I will ask for it.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

David Cullinane: I have read the report several times. Would it be fair to say there was a litany of failures, that there were sloppy practices, maladministration and mistakes made across the board? Would that be a fair assessment?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

David Cullinane: I am just trying to establish whether we can get agreement before I proceed. When I say that there were failures, the Commissioner accepts that. I used the words "sloppy practices". If the Commissioner wants to use different words she can do so but my view is that there were sloppy practices, maladministration and completely unacceptable financial controls in place. Would that be a fair...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

David Cullinane: I would prefer if the Commissioner answered the question that was put. I did not ask about records that we are not aware of or that we have not seen. I am asking the Commissioner to comment on records that the internal audit team did have. On the basis of the records that they did have, they published their report. I put it to the Commissioner that the report highlights a litany of...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

David Cullinane: We will get to that later. I am interested in the relationship between the corporate body that is An Garda Síochána and good practice. An awful lot has been said - as I am sure the Commissioner is well aware - in recent times about the culture in An Garda Síochána. There is a perception, with which the Commissioner may not agree, that when there is wrongdoing, failures...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

David Cullinane: We will put that to the test now by determining whether issues were ignored and whether the work of people who wanted to bring these issues to the attention of the appropriate individuals was frustrated. I want to put that to the test and examine that because before one can reform any organisation, there must be an acceptance that there was serious wrongdoing and that the culture was not...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

David Cullinane: It was not Mr. Kelly who was responsible. I asked why the report was incomplete and Mr. Kelly has said that the expertise was not there to do it. Who carried out the audit? Who was the author of that report?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

David Cullinane: Can this committee be furnished with a copy of that report?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

David Cullinane: Mr. Kelly does not know the name, but it was not him. Can we have a copy of that report?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

David Cullinane: That 2006 report was incomplete but it was not until 2008 that a report was completed by the finance directorate which concluded as follows: "Our examination and review have uncovered discrepancies in compliance ... and exposes the organisation to substantial risk in terms of internal controls". The issue has been highlighted and a report was prepared stating there was substantial risk to...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

David Cullinane: Who is it?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

David Cullinane: Why is that person not here?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

David Cullinane: I would have thought that the person who was the author of one of the substantial reports would have been here today. We asked that people who were relevant to this internal audit would be here.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

David Cullinane: Can the Commissioner tell me why the report was not forwarded on to the Garda internal audit section?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

David Cullinane: That is not the question I asked, with respect. I hope that I get answers to the questions that I put. What I asked was why the report was not given to the Garda internal audit section.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

David Cullinane: That is the critique in the latest report, that the 2008 report was not given to the appropriate auditing committee of An Garda Síochána. Why was it not given?

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