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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Social Change in Ireland: Discussion (25 Nov 2015)

David Stanton: Now, now. The Deputy should be nice.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Social Change in Ireland: Discussion (25 Nov 2015)

David Stanton: Who wants to take that question?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Social Change in Ireland: Discussion (25 Nov 2015)

David Stanton: Does the Deputy have another question?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Social Change in Ireland: Discussion (25 Nov 2015)

David Stanton: If we are all done, I have just one or two questions. I am interested in this class action proposal. In some other jurisdictions, it is powerful. Would Ms Power elaborate on why it does not happen here, what would be needed for it to happen here and what would be the advantages?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Social Change in Ireland: Discussion (25 Nov 2015)

David Stanton: For the sake of those following proceedings, could Ms Power tell us what is meant by a class action?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Social Change in Ireland: Discussion (25 Nov 2015)

David Stanton: What is needed to make it happen here? Has anybody produced a Bill to make a change?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Social Change in Ireland: Discussion (25 Nov 2015)

David Stanton: It has not come across our desk to any significant extent that I can recall. Maybe it is in one of the submissions and we missed it. I am taken with the NGOs and philanthropy and the fact that a number of philanthropic organisations are going out of business shortly and there will be a shortage. The committee produced 35 reports in the past four or five years and a lot of NGOs came in...

Select Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2015
Vote 35 - Army Pensions (Supplementary)
(25 Nov 2015)

David Stanton: We have not received apologies from anyone. I ask everyone present to please turn off all mobile phones or leave them in airplane mode. They should not leave them in silent mode as they still interfere with the recording system and the broadcasting of proceedings. This meeting has been convened to consider the Supplementary Estimate for Vote 35 - Army pensions. A briefing note has been...

Select Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2015
Vote 35 - Army Pensions (Supplementary)
(25 Nov 2015)

David Stanton: Yes.

Select Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2015
Vote 35 - Army Pensions (Supplementary)
(25 Nov 2015)

David Stanton: Deputy Seán Ó Fearghaíl indicated that he had questions to ask.

Select Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2015
Vote 35 - Army Pensions (Supplementary)
(25 Nov 2015)

David Stanton: I remind the Minister and colleagues that we are focusing on the Supplementary Estimate. We are not focusing on policy but following the money. We are discussing where the money is being spent and why it is being moved from one area to another. We will be following it every year from now on. We can have a meeting about policy later, but for now I want to know how many fewer payments were...

Select Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2015
Vote 35 - Army Pensions (Supplementary)
(25 Nov 2015)

David Stanton: We need to focus on the Supplementary Estimate because we have been criticised in this regard.

Select Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2015
Vote 35 - Army Pensions (Supplementary)
(25 Nov 2015)

David Stanton: That is fine, but I must bring members back to the euros and cents because our focus is on where the money is coming from, where it is going out and why it is being moved from A to B or C to D. Policy is very important, but this meeting is about the Supplementary Estimate.

Select Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2015
Vote 35 - Army Pensions (Supplementary)
(25 Nov 2015)

David Stanton: How many have left and how many have come in?

Select Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2015
Vote 35 - Army Pensions (Supplementary)
(25 Nov 2015)

David Stanton: I have one question before we move on to the next item. Subhead A4 shows that there has been a decrease of €77,000 in payments to spouses of deceased veterans of the War of Independence. Can the Minister tell us how many of these payments were envisaged at the start of the year and how many we ended up with in order to make that saving?

Select Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2015
Vote 35 - Army Pensions (Supplementary)
(25 Nov 2015)

David Stanton: Can I bring members back to the Estimates? We need to focus on the figures. This is what we are supposed to be doing.

Select Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2015
Vote 35 - Army Pensions (Supplementary)
(25 Nov 2015)

David Stanton: I want to revisit the figure of €77,000. Could the Minister give us a breakdown on where this came from? He told us there were five fewer payouts at €4,200 each, which does not equate to €77,000. Are some of them getting more than others?

Select Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2015
Vote 35 - Army Pensions (Supplementary)
(25 Nov 2015)

David Stanton: The Minister might send us a note on that at some stage. On the issue-----

Select Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2015
Vote 35 - Army Pensions (Supplementary)
(25 Nov 2015)

David Stanton: In respect of the issue of pensions and people retiring early, when someone retires early, he or stops paying his or her own pension contribution. How is that balanced out in the figures or where does that show up because the Department has overestimated at one end, so it will probably overestimate at the other end as well?

Select Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2015
Vote 35 - Army Pensions (Supplementary)
(25 Nov 2015)

David Stanton: Yes.

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