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Committee on Infrastructure and National Development Plan Delivery: Business of Joint Committee (8 Oct 2025)

Joe Neville: Since it would be a different construction discussion, that makes sense.

Committee on Infrastructure and National Development Plan Delivery: Business of Joint Committee (8 Oct 2025)

Joe Neville: Those companies do. It is worth a conversation.

Committee on Infrastructure and National Development Plan Delivery: Business of Joint Committee (8 Oct 2025)

Joe Neville: Exactly.

Committee on Infrastructure and National Development Plan Delivery: The Role of Engineering in Delivering High-Quality Infrastructure: Discussion (8 Oct 2025)

Joe Neville: I have eight minutes to ask questions and I might just fire questions different ways. It is tricky because there are three different organisations so it is a bit awkward as normally there would be one. I will go to the Irish Academy of Engineering first and ask what would be the one message it would like to spread here today, which I will ask all groups.

Committee on Infrastructure and National Development Plan Delivery: The Role of Engineering in Delivering High-Quality Infrastructure: Discussion (8 Oct 2025)

Joe Neville: That is one of my fears, even with this committee, and it is something I always say to the Cathaoirleach. How do we best maximise the output of this committee so it is not just a biannual report that we send up to someone else. I want key outputs from it.

Committee on Infrastructure and National Development Plan Delivery: The Role of Engineering in Delivering High-Quality Infrastructure: Discussion (8 Oct 2025)

Joe Neville: I do not want to cut across Mr. Jordan but I take that point. Engineers Ireland was slightly different from the other two groups from that point of view.

Committee on Infrastructure and National Development Plan Delivery: The Role of Engineering in Delivering High-Quality Infrastructure: Discussion (8 Oct 2025)

Joe Neville: Mr. Jordan is leading down the path of awarded apprenticeships. We know there is a huge dearth of apprenticeships in Ireland. In fairness, it does need to change. At third level, we have probably got the balance wrong over the last 20 to 25 years. We have pushed way too many people towards university in a way, and turned people off going into basic apprenticeships.

Committee on Infrastructure and National Development Plan Delivery: The Role of Engineering in Delivering High-Quality Infrastructure: Discussion (8 Oct 2025)

Joe Neville: What could the Government do to make it better? If Mr. Jordan was the Minister for higher education, what would he do?

Committee on Infrastructure and National Development Plan Delivery: The Role of Engineering in Delivering High-Quality Infrastructure: Discussion (8 Oct 2025)

Joe Neville: Like the old-style electrician's apprenticeships.

Committee on Infrastructure and National Development Plan Delivery: The Role of Engineering in Delivering High-Quality Infrastructure: Discussion (8 Oct 2025)

Joe Neville: It is like that. It is the equivalent of it.

Committee on Infrastructure and National Development Plan Delivery: The Role of Engineering in Delivering High-Quality Infrastructure: Discussion (8 Oct 2025)

Joe Neville: Engineering itself; I get you. I know what Mr. Jordan is saying.

Committee on Infrastructure and National Development Plan Delivery: The Role of Engineering in Delivering High-Quality Infrastructure: Discussion (8 Oct 2025)

Joe Neville: You do not hear of that. You think about it from the plumber's or electrician's point of view but not necessarily from an engineering perspective.

Committee on Infrastructure and National Development Plan Delivery: The Role of Engineering in Delivering High-Quality Infrastructure: Discussion (8 Oct 2025)

Joe Neville: That is perfect. I know the Chair will give me an extra 30 seconds so the witnesses do not have to worry too much. I want to put the same question to Mr. Dempsey. Would he mind referencing local authorities and his own experiences? I wanted to ask what the witnesses' views were on local authorities and how they think it is working. I know it is a completely separate point but I want to...

Committee on Infrastructure and National Development Plan Delivery: The Role of Engineering in Delivering High-Quality Infrastructure: Discussion (8 Oct 2025)

Joe Neville: Does that mean that everyone is liable? Is it Mr. Dempsey's point that everybody on the chain is liable?

Committee on Infrastructure and National Development Plan Delivery: The Role of Engineering in Delivering High-Quality Infrastructure: Discussion (8 Oct 2025)

Joe Neville: Even if it is the 1%. That is the point that was talked about, the 1% versus the 99%. That was interesting.

Committee on Infrastructure and National Development Plan Delivery: The Role of Engineering in Delivering High-Quality Infrastructure: Discussion (8 Oct 2025)

Joe Neville: On local authorities, maybe it is a general question for who might best equipped to deal with it. Do the witnesses feel local authorities are individually equipped in the way that Uisce Éireann and those other bodies may seem to be to deal with contracts? How do they find them and what is the feedback? Without calling out any individual names, obviously. Ultimately, a lot of what we...

Committee on Infrastructure and National Development Plan Delivery: The Role of Engineering in Delivering High-Quality Infrastructure: Discussion (8 Oct 2025)

Joe Neville: You are right, yes.

Committee on Infrastructure and National Development Plan Delivery: The Role of Engineering in Delivering High-Quality Infrastructure: Discussion (8 Oct 2025)

Joe Neville: Okay. I thank the Chair for the extra time.

Committee on Infrastructure and National Development Plan Delivery: The Role of Engineering in Delivering High-Quality Infrastructure: Discussion (8 Oct 2025)

Joe Neville: As an example, there has been a proposal for a bridge in Celbridge for the last number of years. It seems that these things are raised, talked about and then it disappears from view for a year or two. Then it goes to some other step and then it disappears. The process seems to work in a very strange way. It could take ten years to do something that could be done a lot quicker. Is that...

Committee on Infrastructure and National Development Plan Delivery: The Role of Engineering in Delivering High-Quality Infrastructure: Discussion (8 Oct 2025)

Joe Neville: A bit like me when we first met.

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