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Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)

Josepha Madigan: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)

Josepha Madigan: Has the review started yet?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)

Josepha Madigan: When does Mr. Ó Foghlú expect it to start?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)

Josepha Madigan: I will be dealing with Caranua later on, but I think that should really be expedited because it is such a harrowing experience for these survivors. We know that. If the Department is going to be reviewing the eligibility criteria it needs to be done sooner rather than later. Can I ask Mr. Ó Foghlú about the contributions from non-Catholic organisations? Have congregations from...

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)

Josepha Madigan: Sorry, I am not clear on what the witness is saying.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)

Josepha Madigan: In total.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)

Josepha Madigan: How many of them are non-Catholic?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)

Josepha Madigan: Can the witness answer whether or not any of the contributions made by individual congregations are in any way proportionate to the awards made to those abused under their care?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)

Josepha Madigan: It would be helpful to see that data.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)

Josepha Madigan: It is important that we see that there is not a correlation there and that there is no favouritism, for want of a better word. I wish to ask about counselling. Some €10 million was offered up for counselling and support. Who was to provide this counselling support? I presume it is not being provided by the congregations under whose care these people have suffered. I presume...

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)

Josepha Madigan: Sure.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)

Josepha Madigan: Who provided the service?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)

Josepha Madigan: It is a Catholic organisation. One can see-----

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)

Josepha Madigan: One can see the irony of that. That is the very point I was trying to make, though I did not know what the answer would be. I think it would have been better in terms of reassuring the claimants had they received counselling from an external group. Would the witness accept that?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)

Josepha Madigan: I was just told it was a Catholic-run organisation called Towards Healing.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)

Josepha Madigan: That has provided counselling to claimants who have suffered abuse in Catholic organisations.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)

Josepha Madigan: No, but does the witness not see the difficulty there?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)

Josepha Madigan: For future reference, I think it would be advisable to employ an external group.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)

Josepha Madigan: I just wish to point it out.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 96 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Child Abuse Inquiry and Redress (13 Apr 2017)

Josepha Madigan: I understand that, but I think it is unfortunate. That just makes the situation worse for people when they are trying to extricate themselves from a situation after being through so much. I wish to ask about the Sisters of Mercy health and education properties. Did they offer any schools and hospitals specifically?

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