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Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

John McGuinness: As I have not seen them on sale around, I was wondering where they are.

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

John McGuinness: Mr. Poole should note I intend to come back to some of those questions.

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

John McGuinness: I understand that. However, it also is a fact that when these coffins came in, apparently those who worked for Rehab - and who would have been paid some money from the State - were working on these coffins as part of this Gandon Coffins enterprise. Is that not correct?

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

John McGuinness: Those employees were being paid from the wage subsidy scheme with taxpayers' money to deal with these coffins. I seek clarification from someone in Rehab in respect of a point. On 16 February 2011, in an edition of Industrial Relations News, there was commentary with regard to an individual who was claiming rights and who subsequently received some settlement from Rehab. I seek information...

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

John McGuinness: Could we have a breakdown of the amount?

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

John McGuinness: The witnesses have requested a break. We will take half an hour – Irish time.

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

John McGuinness: We are now in public session and I call Deputy Ross.

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

John McGuinness: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

John McGuinness: I wish to clarify this. It is never a question of not having room to accommodate witnesses, Mr. Governey. We will always find space for you. You can always be assured of that. We contacted Rehab and we asked representatives to attend. At the meeting it was perfectly clear whom they wanted to attend and how the witness list should be made up. There is no doubt in our minds that the...

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

John McGuinness: I apologise for intervening but could people please switch off their mobile telephones?

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

John McGuinness: I do not believe Deputy Ross is going to get any further with this line of questioning.

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

John McGuinness: The Deputy tried hard.

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

John McGuinness: Could Mr. Kerr advise us if we went into private session?

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

John McGuinness: At the Deputy's request, we will-----

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

John McGuinness: I asked about the possibility of going into private session in order to facilitate Deputy Ross and Mr. Kerr. I fully understand why the Deputy or other members of the committee might want the information he is seeking. In fairness, however, the witnesses should at least be given the opportunity to consult their legal adviser.

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

John McGuinness: We can continue with our deliberations while someone from Rehab goes out and consults the legal adviser.

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

John McGuinness: It would be of assistance to the committee if, in private session and in a general way, Mr. Kerr might address the question posed by Deputy Ross. I ask our guests to check the position. We will continue with our deliberations while they are doing so.

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

John McGuinness: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

John McGuinness: Private session is not recorded, in written or any other form. A question has arisen and I am asking that it be addressed in a fair way. I am of the view that private session would offer such a way. Perhaps someone on the Rehab side will check the position and we will proceed with our deliberations in the meantime. I ask those who have mobile phones in their possession to check whether...

Public Accounts Committee: Payments to Section 39 Companies: (Resumed) Rehab Group (10 Apr 2014)

John McGuinness: Before the Deputy does so, will people please check their mobile phones? I ask that they be removed from the desks in order that the interference with the sound might cease.

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