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Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 31 - Transport
Chapter 5 - Expenditure on Night Vision Imaging Technology and Training for Search and Rescue
Special Report 113 of the Comptroller and Auditor General - Procurement of Vehicles by the Irish Coast Guard
(11 Nov 2021)

Brian Stanley: I call Deputy Munster and ask her to stick to the time.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 31 - Transport
Chapter 5 - Expenditure on Night Vision Imaging Technology and Training for Search and Rescue
Special Report 113 of the Comptroller and Auditor General - Procurement of Vehicles by the Irish Coast Guard
(11 Nov 2021)

Brian Stanley: Deputy O' Connor is next.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 31 - Transport
Chapter 5 - Expenditure on Night Vision Imaging Technology and Training for Search and Rescue
Special Report 113 of the Comptroller and Auditor General - Procurement of Vehicles by the Irish Coast Guard
(11 Nov 2021)

Brian Stanley: I have a couple of questions for the Secretary General, the first of which relates to public private partnerships. The table I was quoting from came from the TII annual report and financial statement for 2020, on page 104. I ask the witnesses to confirm that the public private partnerships operation charges totalled €148 million for 2020. If so, that appears to be an increase of...

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 31 - Transport
Chapter 5 - Expenditure on Night Vision Imaging Technology and Training for Search and Rescue
Special Report 113 of the Comptroller and Auditor General - Procurement of Vehicles by the Irish Coast Guard
(11 Nov 2021)

Brian Stanley: Okay. I also ask the Secretary General to clarify that in 2020 there was an increase of €47.1 million on the 2019 figure which was not related to traffic volumes. I ask them to clarify this because it is not 100% clear from the annual report that the cost borne by the State was due to the fact that there was a decrease in traffic volumes on certain toll roads. Perhaps Mr. Mullaney...

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 31 - Transport
Chapter 5 - Expenditure on Night Vision Imaging Technology and Training for Search and Rescue
Special Report 113 of the Comptroller and Auditor General - Procurement of Vehicles by the Irish Coast Guard
(11 Nov 2021)

Brian Stanley: I ask the witnesses to confirm that and also the overall figure of €148 million for last year, as opposed to €73 million for 2019. I also ask the witnesses to confirm that the NTA purchases buses where private operators are operating on approved routes. Is that correct?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 31 - Transport
Chapter 5 - Expenditure on Night Vision Imaging Technology and Training for Search and Rescue
Special Report 113 of the Comptroller and Auditor General - Procurement of Vehicles by the Irish Coast Guard
(11 Nov 2021)

Brian Stanley: Do the operators of the buses get an annual subsidy through the PSO to operate on those routes?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 31 - Transport
Chapter 5 - Expenditure on Night Vision Imaging Technology and Training for Search and Rescue
Special Report 113 of the Comptroller and Auditor General - Procurement of Vehicles by the Irish Coast Guard
(11 Nov 2021)

Brian Stanley: It is a very easy question. Is Mr. Doocey not able to confirm whether, on the publicly subvented routes, where the buses are bought by the taxpayer, those operators receive an annual subsidy by way of the PSO?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 31 - Transport
Chapter 5 - Expenditure on Night Vision Imaging Technology and Training for Search and Rescue
Special Report 113 of the Comptroller and Auditor General - Procurement of Vehicles by the Irish Coast Guard
(11 Nov 2021)

Brian Stanley: The buses are bought by the taxpayer and the operators receive a PSO levy, again via the public purse. How many buses have been bought by this method for private operators?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 31 - Transport
Chapter 5 - Expenditure on Night Vision Imaging Technology and Training for Search and Rescue
Special Report 113 of the Comptroller and Auditor General - Procurement of Vehicles by the Irish Coast Guard
(11 Nov 2021)

Brian Stanley: Are we talking about, for example, more than 50 or 100?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 31 - Transport
Chapter 5 - Expenditure on Night Vision Imaging Technology and Training for Search and Rescue
Special Report 113 of the Comptroller and Auditor General - Procurement of Vehicles by the Irish Coast Guard
(11 Nov 2021)

Brian Stanley: What happens to the buses if the operator goes out of business, loses the contract, goes bankrupt or whatever?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 31 - Transport
Chapter 5 - Expenditure on Night Vision Imaging Technology and Training for Search and Rescue
Special Report 113 of the Comptroller and Auditor General - Procurement of Vehicles by the Irish Coast Guard
(11 Nov 2021)

Brian Stanley: The bus is returned to the NTA, therefore, in those circumstances.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 31 - Transport
Chapter 5 - Expenditure on Night Vision Imaging Technology and Training for Search and Rescue
Special Report 113 of the Comptroller and Auditor General - Procurement of Vehicles by the Irish Coast Guard
(11 Nov 2021)

Brian Stanley: Will Mr. Doocey revert to the committee with details of the names and number of operators that have had buses bought for them and operate on these routes? He might include details of the annual subsidies they received for both 2019 and 2020. The figure I have for the spend in 2019, although I am open to correction on this, was €75 million for the purchase of buses. Some of them may...

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 31 - Transport
Chapter 5 - Expenditure on Night Vision Imaging Technology and Training for Search and Rescue
Special Report 113 of the Comptroller and Auditor General - Procurement of Vehicles by the Irish Coast Guard
(11 Nov 2021)

Brian Stanley: To confirm, in the case of these private operators, the bus is bought for them, they get a PSO levy for operating on the route and they collect bus fares from people hopping onto the bus. When Mr. Doocey reverts with the answer, he might separate out the figures for the semi-State companies such as Bus Éireann and Dublin Bus. Turning to the proposed N80 bypass in Mountmellick, there...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 Nov 2021)

Brian Stanley: The agenda for this section of the meeting is as follows: minutes of our previous meeting, accounts and financial statements, correspondence, work programme, and any other business. We will then go into private session to consider a draft report from the Joint Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach on the process and procedures for the determination and review of...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 Nov 2021)

Brian Stanley: Do any members wish to comment on any of those financial statements? No. The accounts and statements are noted and agreed. As usual, the list of accounts and financial statements submitted will be published as part of our minutes. The next item on our agenda is correspondence. As previously agreed, items that were not flagged for discussion for this meeting will continue to be dealt with...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 Nov 2021)

Brian Stanley: I am happy to do that. The next item is No. 855, from Mr. David Gunning, chief officer, National Paediatric Hospital Development Board, dated 29 October 2021, providing information requested by the committee in regard to the new children's hospital, including the impact of construction inflation costs, which we discussed briefly some time ago; the number of design changes since the beginning...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 Nov 2021)

Brian Stanley: As Deputy Munster is not present, I will come in. With regard to the contract, it is set out that, to date, 135 of 170 contractor design packages have been approved, and that information is given under the list of design changes. A figure was mentioned at one stage of up to 700 potentially, as I recall, and a figure of 400 was given for those they were supposed to be working through. What...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 Nov 2021)

Brian Stanley: From the hearing when they were in-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 Nov 2021)

Brian Stanley: We will come to that shortly. In their previous visit here, on that whole issue of the second phase of the tender, pricing, price inflation and what kind of procedures and rules are around that, we were never able to get a clear answer. On the Deputy’s point, we should write to the Secretary General of the Department of Health and ask where the report is. We should point out it is...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 Nov 2021)

Brian Stanley: We will include this question. It is highly relevant with regard to construction inflation and the shortage of building workers. They are tied in. Is there a time limit? There does not appear to be a time limit for the work to be completed. That is my memory of it. There is nothing whereby it has to be completed by 2022 or 2023 as far as I am aware. I am open to correction.

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