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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Shannon Foynes Port Company: Chairperson Designate (Resumed) (19 Apr 2023)

Gerry Horkan: I get it.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Shannon Foynes Port Company: Chairperson Designate (Resumed) (19 Apr 2023)

Gerry Horkan: There is cross-party consensus to do all of these things. Sometimes things get caught up and we would prefer if they did not. Whatever we can do we will.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Shannon Foynes Port Company: Chairperson Designate (Resumed) (19 Apr 2023)

Gerry Horkan: The sooner the better for everybody's benefit.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Shannon Foynes Port Company: Chairperson Designate (Resumed) (19 Apr 2023)

Gerry Horkan: Is there anything Mr. McGarry would like to add that we have not addressed? We have covered many topics comprehensively. He has probably said many of the things a few times in response to a few people asking the same questions.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Shannon Foynes Port Company: Chairperson Designate (Resumed) (19 Apr 2023)

Gerry Horkan: I thank Mr. McGarry and wish him well for the rest of this term and I wish him well in the future, including in what he does in his private career and on behalf of the State, Tailte Éireann and other bodies. I am sure he will be approached to be involved in others over time. I thank him for all his service to date at Shannon Foynes Port Company and other State companies.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Transport Sectoral Emissions Ceiling: Discussion (26 Apr 2023)

Gerry Horkan: The purpose of the meeting today is a discussion of sectoral emission ceilings for transport. We are joined remotely by Ms Marie Donnelly, chairperson of the Climate Change Advisory Council. I am very pleased to welcome Ms Donnelly. I will read out a note on privilege to both witnesses and members. Witnesses are reminded of the long-standing parliamentary practice that they should not...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Transport Sectoral Emissions Ceiling: Discussion (26 Apr 2023)

Gerry Horkan: I am just wondering how it would work. If I have a free parking space in Leinster House that I do not use because I am on my bike, would I still get charged for it?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Transport Sectoral Emissions Ceiling: Discussion (26 Apr 2023)

Gerry Horkan: We can work out the details if it ever gets implemented. I call Deputy Duncan Smith.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Transport Sectoral Emissions Ceiling: Discussion (26 Apr 2023)

Gerry Horkan: Not to cut across the Deputy, because the aviation stuff is relevant, but just for clarification purposes, the transport ceilings exclude international aviation and marine but do include domestic aviation, which is quite small. It is only flights to Kerry and Donegal. In the longer term, aviation will obviously come into it. It is a very important question but our current targets are not...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Transport Sectoral Emissions Ceiling: Discussion (26 Apr 2023)

Gerry Horkan: It is important because we live on an island.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Transport Sectoral Emissions Ceiling: Discussion (26 Apr 2023)

Gerry Horkan: I think the Deputy has managed to use his entire five minutes on that, leaving no time for responses but I will let him back in.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Transport Sectoral Emissions Ceiling: Discussion (26 Apr 2023)

Gerry Horkan: I will let Ms Donnelly respond to that. On that same point about heavier vehicles, I saw an article in recent days about multistorey car parks potentially having to be strengthened because-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Transport Sectoral Emissions Ceiling: Discussion (26 Apr 2023)

Gerry Horkan: -----all these cars have heavy batteries and 2 tonne vehicles meaning that multistorey car parks cannot physically take the weight of the cars going into them.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Transport Sectoral Emissions Ceiling: Discussion (26 Apr 2023)

Gerry Horkan: Because of issues with the mic, Ms Donnelly might not have heard me. There is talk of cars being bigger and heavier, particularly with the weight of batteries and so on. Multistorey car parks may not be able to cope. They may need to be strengthened or reduce the number of vehicles permitted to enter. It is not a secret that I have quite an old Volkswagen Golf. It is relatively small and...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Transport Sectoral Emissions Ceiling: Discussion (26 Apr 2023)

Gerry Horkan: I thank Ms Donnelly, and Deputy Leddin. We have the time to have a second round for members who are still interested in having a second round. As it happens, Deputy Cathal Crowe is not here, so I am the first. I will put a few points Ms Donnelly a few points, and she might respond to them. Regarding the production of fossil fuel cars versus their sale, can people still sell second-hand...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Transport Sectoral Emissions Ceiling: Discussion (26 Apr 2023)

Gerry Horkan: So second-hand cars can still be traded?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Transport Sectoral Emissions Ceiling: Discussion (26 Apr 2023)

Gerry Horkan: That is a slightly different point from the one I was making. My point was that if there are four cars in a household and it decides to reduce that number to two, two of those drivers will then become named drivers on other people's policies. They will not have to insure themselves in the way they did before but they will lose their no-claims bonus, etc. This creates an incentive to keep...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Transport Sectoral Emissions Ceiling: Discussion (26 Apr 2023)

Gerry Horkan: Ms Donnelly feels the pain I am suggesting.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Transport Sectoral Emissions Ceiling: Discussion (26 Apr 2023)

Gerry Horkan: Deputy Leddin wants to comment specifically on that point.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Transport Sectoral Emissions Ceiling: Discussion (26 Apr 2023)

Gerry Horkan: I look forward to Ms Donnelly coming back to us in the not-too-distant distant future to share with us how we are getting on. We need to take a lot of bold steps. We need to make a huge jump in how we all weigh up every single journey we take and whether there is a better way of doing it. Ideally, it would be a more sustainable way and also cheaper. If the train is much cheaper than the...

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