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Seanad: Courts, Civil Law, Criminal Law and Superannuation (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2024: [Seanad Bill amended by the Dáil] Report and Final Stages (17 Jul 2024)

Tom Clonan: I have just done so in an informed way.

Seanad: Courts, Civil Law, Criminal Law and Superannuation (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2024: [Seanad Bill amended by the Dáil] Report and Final Stages (17 Jul 2024)

Tom Clonan: I have just done it on an informed basis, on the basis of evidence that I have given you. I have been to Guantanamo Bay - I do not think Senator O'Reilly has - and I have read the legislation.

Seanad: Courts, Civil Law, Criminal Law and Superannuation (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2024: [Seanad Bill amended by the Dáil] Report and Final Stages (17 Jul 2024)

Tom Clonan: When you say "we", are you referring to the royal we?

Seanad: Courts, Civil Law, Criminal Law and Superannuation (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2024: [Seanad Bill amended by the Dáil] Report and Final Stages (17 Jul 2024)

Tom Clonan: I am talking about the procedures as set out. I am not comparing Dublin to Guantanamo Bay. For a start, the weather does not compare. However, the concept does. It creates a two-tier citizenship where naturalised citizens have diminished rights as compared with those of citizens by birth. I will give another example. Shamima Begum, a 15-year-old girl from Bethnal Green in London, and...

Seanad: Courts, Civil Law, Criminal Law and Superannuation (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2024: [Seanad Bill amended by the Dáil] Report and Final Stages (17 Jul 2024)

Tom Clonan: It is a matter of public record that she was convicted of these offences in the courts.

Seanad: Courts, Civil Law, Criminal Law and Superannuation (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2024: [Seanad Bill amended by the Dáil] Report and Final Stages (17 Jul 2024)

Tom Clonan: She could never be stripped of her citizenship because she is a citizen by birth. However, if she, like Shamima Begum, was a citizen by naturalisation, then she would have this double jeopardy of being on the one hand a child who was groomed and trafficked into the caliphate and then stripped of her citizenship as a further punishment. Everybody here, myself included, has constituents who...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Disability Matters: Aligning Disability Funding with the UNCRPD: Department of Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth (18 Sep 2024)

Tom Clonan: Before I ask my questions, and following a discussion we had in private, I would like to say that we do not know if we will meet again in similar circumstances or for how long we will continue with our work in this Dáil term. Therefore, I want to recognise and put on the record the very strenuous efforts the Minister of State has made and her absolute integrity in everything she does...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Disability Matters: Aligning Disability Funding with the UNCRPD: Department of Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth (18 Sep 2024)

Tom Clonan: I refer to the accessibility consultative committee of the Department of Transport. There are design issues with things like BusConnects. For example, the bus stop around the corner from where I live is on the Rock Road and Booterstown is a very dangerous arrangement.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Disability Matters: Aligning Disability Funding with the UNCRPD: Department of Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth (18 Sep 2024)

Tom Clonan: I am concerned about a lack of consultation with disabled citizens. Similarly, with the new road traffic management plan for Dublin, I think it feeds back into those concerns. Again, they all feed back into the aspirations and principles as set out in the UNCRPD. I have asked a lot of questions and I thank the Minister of State for her patience.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Disability Matters: Aligning Disability Funding with the UNCRPD: Department of Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth (18 Sep 2024)

Tom Clonan: Thank you.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Disability Matters: Aligning Disability Funding with the UNCRPD: Department of Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth (18 Sep 2024)

Tom Clonan: Thank you very much.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Disability Matters: Aligning Disability Funding with the UNCRPD: Department of Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth (18 Sep 2024)

Tom Clonan: As regards the policy of the Minister, Deputy O’Gorman, to campaign for wording that would not give socioeconomic rights to disabled citizens and the view of the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform that this would not be a good thing and would place a burden on the State, how does the Minister of State reconcile that policy position at the head of the Department with her own...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Disability Matters: Aligning Disability Funding with the UNCRPD: Department of Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth (18 Sep 2024)

Tom Clonan: I am delighted to hear it is being pushed. I thank the Minister of State for her response.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Disability Matters: Aligning Disability Funding with the UNCRPD: Department of Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth (18 Sep 2024)

Tom Clonan: I thank the Minister of State for her patience and all the work she does.

Joint Committee On Children, Equality, Disability, Integration And Youth: General Scheme of the Maternity Protection (Amendment) and Miscellaneous Provisions Bill 2024: Minister for Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth (24 Sep 2024)

Tom Clonan: I thank the Minister for attending. I share the concerns of fellow committee members from all parties about a number of issues, including the timing of the delivery of these letters with, for example, one on the afternoon the committee was due to meet. Why was it not possible to give us greater notice of these issues arising? The Chair asked whether legal complexities were causing the...

Joint Committee On Children, Equality, Disability, Integration And Youth: General Scheme of the Maternity Protection (Amendment) and Miscellaneous Provisions Bill 2024: Minister for Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth (24 Sep 2024)

Tom Clonan: I am sorry to disturb the Minister. I am anxious to know what advice he got from the Office of the Attorney General to explain that with regard to legal issues arising.

Joint Committee On Children, Equality, Disability, Integration And Youth: General Scheme of the Maternity Protection (Amendment) and Miscellaneous Provisions Bill 2024: Minister for Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth (24 Sep 2024)

Tom Clonan: I am sorry; the Minister got no advice whatsoever of any nature from the Office of the Attorney General.

Joint Committee On Children, Equality, Disability, Integration And Youth: General Scheme of the Maternity Protection (Amendment) and Miscellaneous Provisions Bill 2024: Minister for Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth (24 Sep 2024)

Tom Clonan: The specific question was whether the Minister received any legal advice from the Office of the Attorney General on the NDAs. The Minister said he got advice from legal advisers in the various Departments, but the question I am trying to get finality on is whether he got any legal advice from the Office of the Attorney General.

Joint Committee On Children, Equality, Disability, Integration And Youth: General Scheme of the Maternity Protection (Amendment) and Miscellaneous Provisions Bill 2024: Minister for Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth (24 Sep 2024)

Tom Clonan: Will the Minister furnish to the committee the advice that came from the Office of the Attorney General? Will he tell us what it was?

Joint Committee On Children, Equality, Disability, Integration And Youth: General Scheme of the Maternity Protection (Amendment) and Miscellaneous Provisions Bill 2024: Minister for Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth (24 Sep 2024)

Tom Clonan: Okay, but this is a semiotic issue now because I asked the Minister whether he got any advice from the Office of the Attorney General and he said that de facto, in practice, the legal advisers in Departments are seconded from and really speak for the Office of the Attorney General. That being the case, I take it the Minister got advice from the Office of the Attorney General. It is either a...

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