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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Autism: Autism Policy: Discussion (Resumed) (24 Jan 2023)

Micheál Carrigy: As it is our first public meeting of 2023, I take this opportunity to wish everyone a happy new year. No apologies have been received. Before we start, I will read some formal notices and the Covid-19 code of conduct. All of those present in the committee room are asked to exercise personal responsibility to protect themselves and others from the risk of contracting Covid-19. With regard...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Autism: Autism Policy: Discussion (Resumed) (24 Jan 2023)

Micheál Carrigy: I thank Dr. Roddy and Ms. McDonagh for two very comprehensive statements. I am sure they will stimulate a significant number of questions from committee members.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Autism: Autism Policy: Discussion (Resumed) (24 Jan 2023)

Micheál Carrigy: I might call Ms McDonagh first, and then Dr. Áine Roddy, to reply.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Autism: Autism Policy: Discussion (Resumed) (24 Jan 2023)

Micheál Carrigy: I thank Dr. Roddy very much.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Autism: Autism Policy: Discussion (Resumed) (24 Jan 2023)

Micheál Carrigy: We might try to tighten things up a bit as regards questions or we will not get all the members in. We will start with Ms McDonagh this time.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Autism: Autism Policy: Discussion (Resumed) (24 Jan 2023)

Micheál Carrigy: The Deputy could get another question in.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Autism: Autism Policy: Discussion (Resumed) (24 Jan 2023)

Micheál Carrigy: On the summer programme, I mentioned earlier that our committee launched a report before Christmas that recommended some of things Ms McDonagh has mentioned. We read out the date on which it is to be debated. It will be debated in the Dáil in the first week of February and it will also be discussed in the Seanad. There is a lot of work going on behind the scenes to make changes. We...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Autism: Autism Policy: Discussion (Resumed) (24 Jan 2023)

Micheál Carrigy: I apologise. I am not psychic.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Autism: Autism Policy: Discussion (Resumed) (24 Jan 2023)

Micheál Carrigy: Does Dr Roddy want to comment on the strategy?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Autism: Autism Policy: Discussion (Resumed) (24 Jan 2023)

Micheál Carrigy: I indicated that I would take a break for a few minutes and I will do so now.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Autism: Autism Policy: Discussion (Resumed) (24 Jan 2023)

Micheál Carrigy: I thank the Deputy. I call Deputy Pádraig O'Sullivan.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Autism: Autism Policy: Discussion (Resumed) (24 Jan 2023)

Micheál Carrigy: Ms McDonagh might go first.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Autism: Autism Policy: Discussion (Resumed) (24 Jan 2023)

Micheál Carrigy: That concludes all members, bar myself. I will leave myself until the end of round two. Other Oireachtas Members, Deputy Conway-Walsh and Deputy Ó Murchú, have asked to speak at this meeting and I will give them five minutes each.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Autism: Autism Policy: Discussion (Resumed) (24 Jan 2023)

Micheál Carrigy: I do not want to answer questions on behalf of the witnesses but ultimately it is for the Department with responsibility for special education. That is the line Department with responsibility to ensure every child has a public school place. That is where responsibility ultimately lies.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Autism: Autism Policy: Discussion (Resumed) (24 Jan 2023)

Micheál Carrigy: That just leaves me.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Autism: Autism Policy: Discussion (Resumed) (24 Jan 2023)

Micheál Carrigy: The Deputy takes liberties. There are a couple of comments on the opening statement from Dr. Roddy. I am a former student of the old Sligo RTC which I attended many years ago. The conclusion that society can only benefit both socially and economically by valuing autistic individuals and their families and allowing them the opportunity to reach their true potential and participate in...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Autism: Autism Policy: Discussion (Resumed) (24 Jan 2023)

Micheál Carrigy: Fiacre Ryan made a comment that just because he could not speak, he is no less intelligent. That is a mindset society in general needs to change. Does Dr. Roddy wish to come in on any of those points? I did not mention the issue of clinical settings versus educational settings, which was referenced. Trials of the school inclusion model were done in CHO 7. The results have not been...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Autism: Autism Policy: Discussion (Resumed) (24 Jan 2023)

Micheál Carrigy: Ms McDonagh made a comment about the Disability Act. What is coming across from the large number of meetings we have had on this whole issue is the right for an assessment of needs but not having a right for a service. I believe that needs to change. Something like seven to ten High Court cases a week are being taken to access an assessment of needs and children who need them are not...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Autism: Autism Policy: Discussion (Resumed) (24 Jan 2023)

Micheál Carrigy: I sincerely thank all the witnesses, Ms McDonagh, Ms Lavin, Ms Locke-Reilly and Dr. Roddy, for coming. We have had a very wide-ranging discussion. The witness statements and the answers they have given will be core to many of the recommendations we will be making. That is not jumping ahead and saying what they will be. It has been extremely beneficial for the committee to hear their...

Seanad: An tOrd Gnó - Order of Business (25 Jan 2023)

Micheál Carrigy: As this is my first time to speak, I wish the Cathaoirleach well in his role. I also congratulate the Leader. I welcome the students from Ardscoil Phádraig in Granard. It is in my own local area and there are a number of students from my own local village. I see a number of students that I met at the young scientist exhibition last week in the RDS. I see Jack in the back row. I...

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