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Public Accounts Committee: Chapter 1 - Exchequer Financial Outturn for 2016
Chapter 2 - Government Debt
Chapter 24 - Irish Fiscal Advisory Council
(19 Apr 2018)

Marc MacSharry: He is the Accounting Officer for the €1 million.

Public Accounts Committee: Chapter 1 - Exchequer Financial Outturn for 2016
Chapter 2 - Government Debt
Chapter 24 - Irish Fiscal Advisory Council
(19 Apr 2018)

Marc MacSharry: I note a small underspend.

Public Accounts Committee: Chapter 1 - Exchequer Financial Outturn for 2016
Chapter 2 - Government Debt
Chapter 24 - Irish Fiscal Advisory Council
(19 Apr 2018)

Marc MacSharry: Does the secret service fall under the Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission, An Garda Síochána or the Policing Authority?

Public Accounts Committee: Chapter 1 - Exchequer Financial Outturn for 2016
Chapter 2 - Government Debt
Chapter 24 - Irish Fiscal Advisory Council
(19 Apr 2018)

Marc MacSharry: Is it jointly administered?

Public Accounts Committee: Chapter 1 - Exchequer Financial Outturn for 2016
Chapter 2 - Government Debt
Chapter 24 - Irish Fiscal Advisory Council
(19 Apr 2018)

Marc MacSharry: Does Mr. McCarthy have sight of what the money is spent on, confidentially?

Public Accounts Committee: Chapter 1 - Exchequer Financial Outturn for 2016
Chapter 2 - Government Debt
Chapter 24 - Irish Fiscal Advisory Council
(19 Apr 2018)

Marc MacSharry: I understand the nature of what is involved, intelligence gathering and so on. Is the expenditure used for staff or activity costs?

Public Accounts Committee: Chapter 1 - Exchequer Financial Outturn for 2016
Chapter 2 - Government Debt
Chapter 24 - Irish Fiscal Advisory Council
(19 Apr 2018)

Marc MacSharry: It is activity.

Public Accounts Committee: Chapter 1 - Exchequer Financial Outturn for 2016
Chapter 2 - Government Debt
Chapter 24 - Irish Fiscal Advisory Council
(19 Apr 2018)

Marc MacSharry: It would not be bribes for information.

Public Accounts Committee: Chapter 1 - Exchequer Financial Outturn for 2016
Chapter 2 - Government Debt
Chapter 24 - Irish Fiscal Advisory Council
(19 Apr 2018)

Marc MacSharry: I did not know we had a secret service or that money was allocated for this purpose.

Public Accounts Committee: Chapter 1 - Exchequer Financial Outturn for 2016
Chapter 2 - Government Debt
Chapter 24 - Irish Fiscal Advisory Council
(19 Apr 2018)

Marc MacSharry: Can they tell us anything?

Public Accounts Committee: Chapter 1 - Exchequer Financial Outturn for 2016
Chapter 2 - Government Debt
Chapter 24 - Irish Fiscal Advisory Council
(19 Apr 2018)

Marc MacSharry: Is a definition of the secret service available publicly?

Public Accounts Committee: Chapter 1 - Exchequer Financial Outturn for 2016
Chapter 2 - Government Debt
Chapter 24 - Irish Fiscal Advisory Council
(19 Apr 2018)

Marc MacSharry: Which Oireachtas did that?

Public Accounts Committee: Chapter 1 - Exchequer Financial Outturn for 2016
Chapter 2 - Government Debt
Chapter 24 - Irish Fiscal Advisory Council
(19 Apr 2018)

Marc MacSharry: That committee agreed, on behalf of all Members, that we would not ask any questions. Is that the case?

Public Accounts Committee: Chapter 1 - Exchequer Financial Outturn for 2016
Chapter 2 - Government Debt
Chapter 24 - Irish Fiscal Advisory Council
(19 Apr 2018)

Marc MacSharry: They use it for their activities.

Public Accounts Committee: Chapter 1 - Exchequer Financial Outturn for 2016
Chapter 2 - Government Debt
Chapter 24 - Irish Fiscal Advisory Council
(19 Apr 2018)

Marc MacSharry: That is interesting. To address the issue of the IBRC, there is an ongoing case and the witness was not in a position to appear before the committee when we last discussed the matter. I was extremely frustrated by the way in which the issue was handled at that meeting because we were essentially told by the relevant officials that, on account of the ongoing case, they had been legally...

Public Accounts Committee: Chapter 1 - Exchequer Financial Outturn for 2016
Chapter 2 - Government Debt
Chapter 24 - Irish Fiscal Advisory Council
(19 Apr 2018)

Marc MacSharry: There is no statement of claim.

Public Accounts Committee: Chapter 1 - Exchequer Financial Outturn for 2016
Chapter 2 - Government Debt
Chapter 24 - Irish Fiscal Advisory Council
(19 Apr 2018)

Marc MacSharry: Having read what is available publicly about this, it is a kind of case that does not involve the State being sued for money, compensation or anything like that. I asked the last day if the plaintiff has standing to take this case, first of all. Have we a view on that or can we say?

Public Accounts Committee: Chapter 1 - Exchequer Financial Outturn for 2016
Chapter 2 - Government Debt
Chapter 24 - Irish Fiscal Advisory Council
(19 Apr 2018)

Marc MacSharry: The individual involved is taking it as a director of the Irish Mortgage Holders Organisation, which is an advocacy group in a sense for people in debt difficulty and mortgage arrears and so on, which would be honourable enough. Obviously this is going to cost money. May I ask formally would the Department consider allowing this committee to make contact with the plaintiff's representatives...

Public Accounts Committee: Chapter 1 - Exchequer Financial Outturn for 2016
Chapter 2 - Government Debt
Chapter 24 - Irish Fiscal Advisory Council
(19 Apr 2018)

Marc MacSharry: We would not be interested in wasting our time but if it could save the State money, get rid of this case and at the same time ask the pertinent questions to which the public would be entitled given the expenditure involved in the ongoing liquidation, would that not tick a lot of boxes for people?

Public Accounts Committee: Chapter 1 - Exchequer Financial Outturn for 2016
Chapter 2 - Government Debt
Chapter 24 - Irish Fiscal Advisory Council
(19 Apr 2018)

Marc MacSharry: I know it would be unusual but I ask the Chairman that the committee would consider doing so and that we would communicate with the representatives for the plaintiff to see in the interests of the taxpayer if they might consider pulling back their case, on the basis that we were happy to ask questions pertinent to the oversight of the IBRC expenditure. It would serve all parties well. I...

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