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Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 4 - Overview of Public Private Partnerships
(22 Mar 2018)

Marc MacSharry: One of the things the missing page 14 stated was that there was a major problem with a lack of succession management, which was not highlighted by Deloitte or anybody else but was highlighted by Mr. Seamus McCarthy, the Comptroller and Auditor General, as an issue. This person, a scientist with no relevant experience according to the National Development Finance Agency, was taken back on the...

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 4 - Overview of Public Private Partnerships
(22 Mar 2018)

Marc MacSharry: Has Mr. Ó Foghlú seen the whistleblower's report?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 4 - Overview of Public Private Partnerships
(22 Mar 2018)

Marc MacSharry: Does Mr. Ó Foghlú have page 14?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 4 - Overview of Public Private Partnerships
(22 Mar 2018)

Marc MacSharry: I will give it to Mr. Ó Foghlú. KPMG was not giving it but I have it here. I will certainly be happy to give it to him. Incidentally, I know from other engagements here, and we will be going back to them directly, that CIT has a history of lavish parties. Was Mr. Ó Foghlú at the retirement party for this individual?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 4 - Overview of Public Private Partnerships
(22 Mar 2018)

Marc MacSharry: Through the Chair-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 4 - Overview of Public Private Partnerships
(22 Mar 2018)

Marc MacSharry: Through the Chair, I realise that as Secretary General of a Department you get to direct a lot of what goes on, but you do not direct what goes on in this room, whether you like it or not.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 4 - Overview of Public Private Partnerships
(22 Mar 2018)

Marc MacSharry: It was through the Chair. If I have questions for you, Mr. Watt, I will let you know. In the meantime, I am talking to the Secretary General of education who, to the best of my knowledge, does not report to you. I am asking Mr. Ó Foghlú, did you happen to be at the retirement party for that individual?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 4 - Overview of Public Private Partnerships
(22 Mar 2018)

Marc MacSharry: Sorry, it is perfectly relevant, Chairman, and I will tell you why.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 4 - Overview of Public Private Partnerships
(22 Mar 2018)

Marc MacSharry: I will tell you why it is relevant. There are huge issues with this particular institute. It seems not only to go to building of things, public-private partners, re-employment of people, throwing out lavish amounts of public money, which is what this committee is about. This committee is about taxpayers' money, Mr. Watt, and we are here to question that whether you like it or not. If that...

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 4 - Overview of Public Private Partnerships
(22 Mar 2018)

Marc MacSharry: They are all interrelated. We have established this gentleman did not have the adequate expertise according to the national development management agency. He was re-employed the following week as a consultant and we have also established that the building is falling down. Can you tell me, please, Chairman, why is it not relevant?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 4 - Overview of Public Private Partnerships
(22 Mar 2018)

Marc MacSharry: I did not name any person. I am only talking about public funds.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 4 - Overview of Public Private Partnerships
(22 Mar 2018)

Marc MacSharry: I do not know who they are.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 4 - Overview of Public Private Partnerships
(22 Mar 2018)

Marc MacSharry: I have to say, Chairman-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 4 - Overview of Public Private Partnerships
(22 Mar 2018)

Marc MacSharry: What are we doing in here? If we want to find out-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 4 - Overview of Public Private Partnerships
(22 Mar 2018)

Marc MacSharry: If I may.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 4 - Overview of Public Private Partnerships
(22 Mar 2018)

Marc MacSharry: We are supposed to find out whether taxpayers' money is spent in the correct way but we are not allowed determined who made the decisions. Our whole talk this morning in private session was because there is no accountability because officials consistently - not necessarily the group that is here today - come in knowing there is no outcome. There is no sanction and no issue. The house...

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 4 - Overview of Public Private Partnerships
(22 Mar 2018)

Marc MacSharry: Yes, and they are all interrelated. How can a contract manager who was not qualified get re-employed the following Monday and on what basis? Was it to do with the succession planning that was highlighted in the whistleblower's report on the missing, elusive page 14 or was it some other function? I think that is perfectly relevant.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 4 - Overview of Public Private Partnerships
(22 Mar 2018)

Marc MacSharry: I was just wondering.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 4 - Overview of Public Private Partnerships
(22 Mar 2018)

Marc MacSharry: Absolutely. I am not talking about that party at all.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 4 - Overview of Public Private Partnerships
(22 Mar 2018)

Marc MacSharry: I was just wondering was there any ice sculptures at these particular parties for people who were coming back to work the following Monday. That is all. It is a perfectly reasonable question.

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