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Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 4 - Overview of Public Private Partnerships
(22 Mar 2018)

Marc MacSharry: Before we go into private session, notwithstanding the disappointment with various aspects, I have plenty of questions.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 4 - Overview of Public Private Partnerships
(22 Mar 2018)

Marc MacSharry: That is not to say that we will not have them back again when they will have had the opportunity to read reports.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 4 - Overview of Public Private Partnerships
(22 Mar 2018)

Marc MacSharry: Did I hear Mr. Ó Foghlú correctly as saying the Department had never carried out a review of a PPP?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 4 - Overview of Public Private Partnerships
(22 Mar 2018)

Marc MacSharry: Did Deputy Kelly's example indicate we need to up our game?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 4 - Overview of Public Private Partnerships
(22 Mar 2018)

Marc MacSharry: When did the Department become aware that there was an issue with the Maritime College in Cork?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 4 - Overview of Public Private Partnerships
(22 Mar 2018)

Marc MacSharry: In May 2014, the then Chairman of the Committee of Public Accounts asked Mr. Ó Foghlú what qualifications a contract manager should have and what qualifications the contract manager in this case actually had. Mr. Ó Foghlú said he was not aware of the details but that he would get them. I have checked through the records and he did not come back to the committee.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 4 - Overview of Public Private Partnerships
(22 Mar 2018)

Marc MacSharry: To the best of my research, Mr. Ó Foghlú did not come back.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 4 - Overview of Public Private Partnerships
(22 Mar 2018)

Marc MacSharry: Maybe it was a mid-term approach.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 4 - Overview of Public Private Partnerships
(22 Mar 2018)

Marc MacSharry: I could find nothing showing that Mr. Ó Foghlú came back on it. I did my own research and I found that this individual was vice president of strategy with a background in science. Does that concur with the details of the person in this case?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 4 - Overview of Public Private Partnerships
(22 Mar 2018)

Marc MacSharry: I am not talking about the current contract manager but the contract manager when this building, which is now falling down, was being built.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 4 - Overview of Public Private Partnerships
(22 Mar 2018)

Marc MacSharry: Mr. Ó Foghlú might get them for me because my information is that the details will concur with those to which I have just referred. In Mr. Ellison's view, what would be an adequate qualification for a contract manager?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 4 - Overview of Public Private Partnerships
(22 Mar 2018)

Marc MacSharry: Would that be someone with a science background?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 4 - Overview of Public Private Partnerships
(22 Mar 2018)

Marc MacSharry: Is anybody in here involved in contract management?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 4 - Overview of Public Private Partnerships
(22 Mar 2018)

Marc MacSharry: Does the NDFA have many scientists on the staff?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 4 - Overview of Public Private Partnerships
(22 Mar 2018)

Marc MacSharry: It has no scientists.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 4 - Overview of Public Private Partnerships
(22 Mar 2018)

Marc MacSharry: If Mr. Cahillane was recruiting somebody to assist as contract manager, how likely would he be to have "scientist" on the advertisement?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 4 - Overview of Public Private Partnerships
(22 Mar 2018)

Marc MacSharry: How would it be possible for somebody with a science background to have that familiarity?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 4 - Overview of Public Private Partnerships
(22 Mar 2018)

Marc MacSharry: It would be possible if the person concerned coincidentally happened to have an interest in science but also happened to be mechanical or electrical engineer. Let us say they were not an engineer, nor a contract manager, and had no experience of project management but were a scientist, would Mr. Cahillane seek them out?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 4 - Overview of Public Private Partnerships
(22 Mar 2018)

Marc MacSharry: It seems that was the case with the National Maritime College. That is a problem, considering the difficulties that have emerged since. We will be getting into more detail on these matters with Cork Institute of Technology, CIT, but there was a whistleblower's report and a KPMG report into the issue, the latter of which highlighted that pages were missing from the whistleblower's report...

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 4 - Overview of Public Private Partnerships
(22 Mar 2018)

Marc MacSharry: I do not know.

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