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Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Can Mr. Ruttle make that decision unilaterally without the board?

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Just a minute. I am on record as saying that inquiry will take its course. I am not saying one thing about that inquiry. I am not sure why Mr. Ruttle was getting advice, I am simply asking him questions regarding his role as chairman of a board and that comes down to giving us confidence in regard to governance. Certainly I accept that he is here for the 2013-14 accounts but the issue...

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Okay. Mr. Ruttle got advice from Mr. Thorn. He rang Mr. Ruttle as well, I think that is what Mr. Ruttle said earlier, is it not?

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Catherine Connolly: That is okay. Therefore, Mr. Ruttle did not have any advice from him.

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Catherine Connolly: What does Mr. Ruttle mean by saying he expressed general views?

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Catherine Connolly: With you?

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Catherine Connolly: I am just trying to establish clearly if Mr. Thorn spoke to Mr. Ruttle and if Mr. Ruttle shared that with the board or did Mr. Thorn speak with the board?

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Yesterday.

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Catherine Connolly: I understand all that.

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Okay. In regard to governance, what issues arose in the 2013-14 accounts, if any, from the audit committee in terms of risk assessment?

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Catherine Connolly: No, Mr. Ruttle-----

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Catherine Connolly: -----that is not the question. The delays have been clearly set out by the Comptroller and Auditor General. I am accepting that in respect of 2013-14. My question was: what issues, risks, or conflicts of interest, if any, arose during that period of time? I am interested to know what happened and how Mr. Ruttle dealt with it.

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Mr. Ruttle is here to answer for 2013-14.

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Catherine Connolly: My question still remains who can answer that question? Is the Chairman indicating that I should finish?

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Catherine Connolly: I want Ms Doran just to answer my question. What issues, matters or conflicts of interest arose and how were they handled?

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Yes, please.

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Catherine Connolly: No, that is okay. I will ask a final question. What training has the board got on governance issues?

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Catherine Connolly: I am absolutely interested but I ask Mr. Ruttle to first answer my question on what training, if any, the members of the board got.

Public Accounts Committee: Tipperary Education and Training Board and Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements (16 Nov 2017)

Catherine Connolly: It sounds very difficult, which is why I am asking about training. Huge issues arise for every board and these can be difficult to deal with. What training was provided by the Department?

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