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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Delays Affecting Car Tests and Driver Tests: Discussion (1 Feb 2023)

Gerry Horkan: He has had his mention, along with Councillors Nicholas Crossan and Seamie Moore who were also mentioned earlier. I will mention them again.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Delays Affecting Car Tests and Driver Tests: Discussion (1 Feb 2023)

Gerry Horkan: Be careful what you wish for.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Delays Affecting Car Tests and Driver Tests: Discussion (1 Feb 2023)

Gerry Horkan: We had this discussion as well. I think Deputy Ó Murchú may have been out of the room. We discussed the point that the RSA is looking-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Delays Affecting Car Tests and Driver Tests: Discussion (1 Feb 2023)

Gerry Horkan: It has applied for temporary posts but really needs permanent posts.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Delays Affecting Car Tests and Driver Tests: Discussion (1 Feb 2023)

Gerry Horkan: Yes.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Delays Affecting Car Tests and Driver Tests: Discussion (1 Feb 2023)

Gerry Horkan: Perfect. We have a small window. It appears to me that we have the guts of approximately 135,000 car owners who do not appear to be that bothered about their NCT being out of date. I am looking at the 375,000 vehicles, which is 170,000 above normal. Some 42,000 vehicles have been tested, 204,000 vehicles have a booking, that is approximately 250,000 vehicles. There are approximately...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Delays Affecting Car Tests and Driver Tests: Discussion (1 Feb 2023)

Gerry Horkan: Okay. That probably is a flaw in the maths of it, in that it never looks as though a vehicle is more than 21 months out but if this is true, the vehicle might not have been tested since 2015. I am asking Applus to do a deeper delve into its system and say that there are cars on the national database, presumably motor taxed-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Delays Affecting Car Tests and Driver Tests: Discussion (1 Feb 2023)

Gerry Horkan: I do not know who has access to what but if the RSA does not have access, it should be able to ask somebody to have access. If there are cars taxed in 2023 that have not been tested since 2015, it should be given access to information on how many of them are there or whatever.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Delays Affecting Car Tests and Driver Tests: Discussion (1 Feb 2023)

Gerry Horkan: Applus also gets notified of end-of-life stuff and all the rest to take them off its database.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Delays Affecting Car Tests and Driver Tests: Discussion (1 Feb 2023)

Gerry Horkan: Is that because they are not motor taxed?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Delays Affecting Car Tests and Driver Tests: Discussion (1 Feb 2023)

Gerry Horkan: Do we have any idea about a cohort of vehicles that are being driven around the country, are taxed but without having undergone the NCT and that have not been tested in years?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Delays Affecting Car Tests and Driver Tests: Discussion (1 Feb 2023)

Gerry Horkan: It would be interesting to find out how many cars we might think are in the system that are being driven around and getting taxed and hopefully insured but whose owners are just ignoring the system. There was a time when car checkpoints seemed to check for NCTs and maybe they still do but I am not sure whether people are encountering them as much as they used to.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Delays Affecting Car Tests and Driver Tests: Discussion (1 Feb 2023)

Gerry Horkan: Has the RSA ever done a deep dive into cars whose owners do not appear to bother getting NCTs? Is it a concern?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Delays Affecting Car Tests and Driver Tests: Discussion (1 Feb 2023)

Gerry Horkan: Should it not be a concern for the Road Safety Authority that if car owners are not bothering to get their cars tested, presumably such cars could easily have more risks associated with them than cars that have been tested?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Delays Affecting Car Tests and Driver Tests: Discussion (1 Feb 2023)

Gerry Horkan: I think it would be a useful exercise that I would like to take from here.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Delays Affecting Car Tests and Driver Tests: Discussion (1 Feb 2023)

Gerry Horkan: I cannot instruct the RSA what to do but it would be useful to find out if there is a cohort of car owners who do not bother to engage and seem to be getting away with it, and how many there are.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Delays Affecting Car Tests and Driver Tests: Discussion (1 Feb 2023)

Gerry Horkan: That means 5% of 2 million is the guts of 100,000 cars.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Delays Affecting Car Tests and Driver Tests: Discussion (1 Feb 2023)

Gerry Horkan: The timing stuff is okay. As I said, there are people who would have loved to have got a test in January but who cannot get it until March or whatever; unless they ring the call centre. It would be useful if Mr. Synnott could do that and share the information with the committee.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Delays Affecting Car Tests and Driver Tests: Discussion (1 Feb 2023)

Gerry Horkan: As we are finishing the meeting at 4.30 p.m. and it is 4.26 p.m., there are four minutes left in the meeting.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Delays Affecting Car Tests and Driver Tests: Discussion (1 Feb 2023)

Gerry Horkan: If the Senator has a point to raise, he is very welcome to do so.

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