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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: General Scheme of Road Traffic (Fixed Penalty - Drink Driving) Bill 2017: Discussion (Resumed) (17 May 2017)

Brendan Griffin: In the area of technology, the alco-lock and alco-interlock have come up here before. I furnished numerous examples to the Minister for Transport, Tourism and Sport, Deputy Shane Ross, of systems from around the world. The greatest number of alcohol-related deaths are caused by people who are well over the legal limit and well over the limit covered by this derogation. Would it not,...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: General Scheme of Road Traffic (Fixed Penalty - Drink Driving) Bill 2017: Discussion (Resumed) (17 May 2017)

Brendan Griffin: Much of this meeting has involved talking about drink drivers at lower limits, the problems caused by any alcohol intake and international research, so surely the conclusion is that people should not be able to activate a mechanically-propelled vehicle if they have any alcohol in their system or are over 20 mg.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: General Scheme of Road Traffic (Fixed Penalty - Drink Driving) Bill 2017: Discussion (Resumed) (17 May 2017)

Brendan Griffin: We are talking about it in the context of a drink driving Bill.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: General Scheme of Road Traffic (Fixed Penalty - Drink Driving) Bill 2017: Discussion (Resumed) (17 May 2017)

Brendan Griffin: Outside the argument about retrofitting, in respect of new vehicles coming on the market, is this something the RSA has looked at for all drivers as distinct from offenders?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: General Scheme of Road Traffic (Fixed Penalty - Drink Driving) Bill 2017: Discussion (Resumed) (17 May 2017)

Brendan Griffin: Working with the EU has been referenced too often. Ms Murdock referenced the smoking ban earlier. We led the way on that. We did not look to Europe to do anything about that. We did that ourselves and we could look at doing the same in terms of other road safety measures.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: General Scheme of Road Traffic (Fixed Penalty - Drink Driving) Bill 2017: Discussion (Resumed) (17 May 2017)

Brendan Griffin: That is deterrence. When the technology is there, surely we should embrace it for prevention more than trying to catch people.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: General Scheme of Road Traffic (Fixed Penalty - Drink Driving) Bill 2017: Discussion (Resumed) (17 May 2017)

Brendan Griffin: Earlier the witnesses were giving the message that we cannot send different messages to drivers about what is and is not an acceptable level of alcohol, that going a little over the limit is not as bad as going further over the limit and that, therefore, this anomaly, as it has been referred to, in section 29 needs to be addressed. Taking that logic, could we not apply the same thing to...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: General Scheme of Road Traffic (Fixed Penalty - Drink Driving) Bill 2017: Discussion (Resumed) (17 May 2017)

Brendan Griffin: So we are talking about one third of incidents but we have a penalty points system. Someone can commit three or four speeding offences before losing their licence in a certain period of time. How many people lost their licences last year for a single speeding offence?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: General Scheme of Road Traffic (Fixed Penalty - Drink Driving) Bill 2017: Discussion (Resumed) (17 May 2017)

Brendan Griffin: It is important in the context of the approach here.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: General Scheme of Road Traffic (Fixed Penalty - Drink Driving) Bill 2017: Discussion (Resumed) (17 May 2017)

Brendan Griffin: Ms Murdock does not know how many people lost their licences last year or any year for a single speeding offence.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: General Scheme of Road Traffic (Fixed Penalty - Drink Driving) Bill 2017: Discussion (Resumed) (17 May 2017)

Brendan Griffin: That is for people who accumulate-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: General Scheme of Road Traffic (Fixed Penalty - Drink Driving) Bill 2017: Discussion (Resumed) (17 May 2017)

Brendan Griffin: What about speeding?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: General Scheme of Road Traffic (Fixed Penalty - Drink Driving) Bill 2017: Discussion (Resumed) (17 May 2017)

Brendan Griffin: Surely Ms Murdock should know this.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: General Scheme of Road Traffic (Fixed Penalty - Drink Driving) Bill 2017: Discussion (Resumed) (17 May 2017)

Brendan Griffin: Could Ms Murdock provide us with two specific areas of information? They are the numbers of people who lose their licences for accumulating the total number of penalty points and data regarding people who are disqualified from driving for a single speeding offence, for example, if someone gets clocked driving up the motorway at 100 km/h, is taken to court and disqualified. Could Ms Murdock...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: General Scheme of Road Traffic (Fixed Penalty - Drink Driving) Bill 2017: Discussion (Resumed) (17 May 2017)

Brendan Griffin: It is critical because it can impact behaviour. Perception is important. Regardless of whether it is right or wrong, we cannot overlook it.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: General Scheme of Road Traffic (Fixed Penalty - Drink Driving) Bill 2017: Discussion (Resumed) (17 May 2017)

Brendan Griffin: I know but the point is that it should not be overlooked.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: General Scheme of Road Traffic (Fixed Penalty - Drink Driving) Bill 2017: Discussion (Resumed) (17 May 2017)

Brendan Griffin: Does the RSA agree with automatic disqualification for people who speed over a certain limit, for example, if somebody is clocked at 40 km/h over the limit?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: General Scheme of Road Traffic (Fixed Penalty - Drink Driving) Bill 2017: Discussion (Resumed) (17 May 2017)

Brendan Griffin: I have a final question about the table on page two. The 2008 to 2012 analysis shows that the 51 mg to 80 mg cohort is responsible for 5.6% of the analysed fatalities. Within this table there is a figure of 16. What does the figure of 16 represent? The vintners have one figure. What does it represent in the overall number of road fatalities between 2008 and 2012?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: General Scheme of Road Traffic (Fixed Penalty - Drink Driving) Bill 2017: Discussion (Resumed) (17 May 2017)

Brendan Griffin: Can the Road Safety Authority provide this to the committee?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: General Scheme of Road Traffic (Fixed Penalty - Drink Driving) Bill 2017: Discussion (Resumed) (17 May 2017)

Brendan Griffin: I am asking the witnesses to provide the committee with this information as soon as possible. We cannot conclude the pre-legislative scrutiny until we get all the answers.