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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: General Scheme of Road Traffic (Fixed Penalty - Drink Driving) Bill 2017: Discussion (Resumed) (17 May 2017)

Brendan Griffin: The effects are showing-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: General Scheme of Road Traffic (Fixed Penalty - Drink Driving) Bill 2017: Discussion (Resumed) (17 May 2017)

Brendan Griffin: Did Ms Murdock consider that factor?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: General Scheme of Road Traffic (Fixed Penalty - Drink Driving) Bill 2017: Discussion (Resumed) (17 May 2017)

Brendan Griffin: I am asking the difference between the figures for the court challenges where there is automatic disqualification versus penalty points. There is quite a significant difference.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: General Scheme of Road Traffic (Fixed Penalty - Drink Driving) Bill 2017: Discussion (Resumed) (17 May 2017)

Brendan Griffin: It is subject to challenge, but the actual effects are-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: General Scheme of Road Traffic (Fixed Penalty - Drink Driving) Bill 2017: Discussion (Resumed) (17 May 2017)

Brendan Griffin: The point, however, is that a person in a rural area who is faced with losing his or her licence has no access to public transport. Losing one's licence is losing one's licence. The difference between the minimum period in court and the proposed change in the current legislation is three months. It is an automatic three-month disqualification versus six months for a first offence. My...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: General Scheme of Road Traffic (Fixed Penalty - Drink Driving) Bill 2017: Discussion (Resumed) (17 May 2017)

Brendan Griffin: The authority has not studied that, however.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: General Scheme of Road Traffic (Fixed Penalty - Drink Driving) Bill 2017: Discussion (Resumed) (17 May 2017)

Brendan Griffin: Ms Murdock referred earlier to the effectiveness of the changes to the NCT. How many penalty points apply where one drives a car without an NCT certificate?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: General Scheme of Road Traffic (Fixed Penalty - Drink Driving) Bill 2017: Discussion (Resumed) (17 May 2017)

Brendan Griffin: How many penalty points apply?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: General Scheme of Road Traffic (Fixed Penalty - Drink Driving) Bill 2017: Discussion (Resumed) (17 May 2017)

Brendan Griffin: The compliance rate is much better.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: General Scheme of Road Traffic (Fixed Penalty - Drink Driving) Bill 2017: Discussion (Resumed) (17 May 2017)

Brendan Griffin: Would the authority consider looking at increasing the penalty for the 51 mg to 80 mg cohort to six or eight penalty points?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: General Scheme of Road Traffic (Fixed Penalty - Drink Driving) Bill 2017: Discussion (Resumed) (17 May 2017)

Brendan Griffin: In terms of research on the impact of this measure, how many people have re-offended? How many people have lost their licences who previously availed of penalty points in the 51 mg to 80 mg cohort, having reoffended within the time period?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: General Scheme of Road Traffic (Fixed Penalty - Drink Driving) Bill 2017: Discussion (Resumed) (17 May 2017)

Brendan Griffin: Let us say October 2010 to 2013.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: General Scheme of Road Traffic (Fixed Penalty - Drink Driving) Bill 2017: Discussion (Resumed) (17 May 2017)

Brendan Griffin: Yes, but we do not know if people availed of this derogation, to call it that, and were subsequently caught for drink driving.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: General Scheme of Road Traffic (Fixed Penalty - Drink Driving) Bill 2017: Discussion (Resumed) (17 May 2017)

Brendan Griffin: What is important to know is whether giving penalty points to people who are caught drink driving is a deterrent which stops them re-offending. That is what I am asking. Have people in the 51 mg to 80 mg cohort who availed of penalty points reoffended in terms of drink driving?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: General Scheme of Road Traffic (Fixed Penalty - Drink Driving) Bill 2017: Discussion (Resumed) (17 May 2017)

Brendan Griffin: This is the pre-legislative scrutiny process. We are here now in the month of May. This question has been asked here numerous times.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: General Scheme of Road Traffic (Fixed Penalty - Drink Driving) Bill 2017: Discussion (Resumed) (17 May 2017)

Brendan Griffin: I know that.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: General Scheme of Road Traffic (Fixed Penalty - Drink Driving) Bill 2017: Discussion (Resumed) (17 May 2017)

Brendan Griffin: Approximately 600 people per annum who availed of penalty points are in this category. We have no statistics on them. Over the five-year period, it is 3,003.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: General Scheme of Road Traffic (Fixed Penalty - Drink Driving) Bill 2017: Discussion (Resumed) (17 May 2017)

Brendan Griffin: Surely, the data should exist for anyone who availed of this in 2011, 2012 and 2013. Those three years are now up for the people in 2013 so we should have that data.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: General Scheme of Road Traffic (Fixed Penalty - Drink Driving) Bill 2017: Discussion (Resumed) (17 May 2017)

Brendan Griffin: As such, the RTA cannot tell us if this is a deterrent to drivers drinking and driving again.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: General Scheme of Road Traffic (Fixed Penalty - Drink Driving) Bill 2017: Discussion (Resumed) (17 May 2017)

Brendan Griffin: Is this an effective tool to stop people who were previously drink driving from continuing to do so? When those in the 51 mg to 80 mg bracket are caught, do they reoffend or not? We do not know. I am just looking for the information.

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