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Public Accounts Committee: Department of Public Expenditure and Reform, Houses of the Oireachtas Commission - Review of Allowances (23 Oct 2012)

Eoghan Murphy: After the Croke Park agreement?

Public Accounts Committee: Department of Public Expenditure and Reform, Houses of the Oireachtas Commission - Review of Allowances (23 Oct 2012)

Eoghan Murphy: Were these the kinds of flexibilities we were trying to achieve under the Croke Park agreement, including in regard to core pay? We said we would try to achieve greater flexibility in the workplace. Did we then decide to pay an allowance on top?

Public Accounts Committee: Department of Public Expenditure and Reform, Houses of the Oireachtas Commission - Review of Allowances (23 Oct 2012)

Eoghan Murphy: We were to get greater flexibility under the Croke Park agreement.

Public Accounts Committee: Department of Public Expenditure and Reform, Houses of the Oireachtas Commission - Review of Allowances (23 Oct 2012)

Eoghan Murphy: That was its purpose, yet we were still paying allowances for greater flexibility in certain instances after the agreement came into force.

Public Accounts Committee: Department of Public Expenditure and Reform, Houses of the Oireachtas Commission - Review of Allowances (23 Oct 2012)

Eoghan Murphy: Acting up as head-----

Public Accounts Committee: Department of Public Expenditure and Reform, Houses of the Oireachtas Commission - Review of Allowances (23 Oct 2012)

Eoghan Murphy: Do we have information on how many allowances were approved after the agreement came into force and what they were for?

Public Accounts Committee: Department of Public Expenditure and Reform, Houses of the Oireachtas Commission - Review of Allowances (23 Oct 2012)

Eoghan Murphy: New allowances that were approved for work done.

Public Accounts Committee: Department of Public Expenditure and Reform, Houses of the Oireachtas Commission - Review of Allowances (23 Oct 2012)

Eoghan Murphy: No. People may have benefited from the allowances.

Public Accounts Committee: Department of Public Expenditure and Reform, Houses of the Oireachtas Commission - Review of Allowances (23 Oct 2012)

Eoghan Murphy: I would be interested in it. A criticism of the Croke Park agreement that is always levelled at me is that it is meant to be delivering greater flexibilities, yet this review seems to imply that we have been paying extra allowances for those flexibilities.

Public Accounts Committee: Department of Public Expenditure and Reform, Houses of the Oireachtas Commission - Review of Allowances (23 Oct 2012)

Eoghan Murphy: I told Mr. Watt that I was not referring to amounts and that I wanted to discuss the principle and what had been achieved under the agreement. According to Mr. Watt, he does not want to go after those on lower pay, but he clearly does not want to go after those on higher pay either. This is the issue I am trying to examine.

Public Accounts Committee: Department of Public Expenditure and Reform, Houses of the Oireachtas Commission - Review of Allowances (23 Oct 2012)

Eoghan Murphy: This is a separate issue, but if Mr. Watt wants to raise it now, we can get back into it.

Public Accounts Committee: Department of Public Expenditure and Reform, Houses of the Oireachtas Commission - Review of Allowances (23 Oct 2012)

Eoghan Murphy: I was not discussing the agreement. Mr. Watt raised it. I was asking about particular allowances approved for people working in the public sector since the Croke Park agreement, namely, allowances for flexibilities in the workplace that people believed the agreement was to introduce. Now Mr. Watt has reverted to the issue of the methodology.

Public Accounts Committee: Department of Public Expenditure and Reform, Houses of the Oireachtas Commission - Review of Allowances (23 Oct 2012)

Eoghan Murphy: I am sorry, but Mr. Watt just referred to the savings calculated under the Croke Park agreement. This is not a discussion I wanted, but Mr. Watt brought it up and we can have it now if he wants.

Public Accounts Committee: Department of Public Expenditure and Reform, Houses of the Oireachtas Commission - Review of Allowances (23 Oct 2012)

Eoghan Murphy: I thank Mr. Watt. Is it possible for someone to be in receipt of the franking machine allowance as well as the machine duties allowance? Can someone be entitled to one or more of the allowances listed?

Public Accounts Committee: Department of Public Expenditure and Reform, Houses of the Oireachtas Commission - Review of Allowances (23 Oct 2012)

Eoghan Murphy: One cannot have both. The forklifts allowance is for people hired to drive forklifts. They get their basic salaries, on top of which we pay them a forklift allowance.

Public Accounts Committee: Department of Public Expenditure and Reform, Houses of the Oireachtas Commission - Review of Allowances (23 Oct 2012)

Eoghan Murphy: Why would we have introduced a forklift allowance?

Public Accounts Committee: Department of Public Expenditure and Reform, Houses of the Oireachtas Commission - Review of Allowances (23 Oct 2012)

Eoghan Murphy: Is there detailed information?

Public Accounts Committee: Department of Public Expenditure and Reform, Houses of the Oireachtas Commission - Review of Allowances (23 Oct 2012)

Eoghan Murphy: Was Mr. Watt satisfied with the business case for retaining the forklift allowance?

Public Accounts Committee: Department of Public Expenditure and Reform, Houses of the Oireachtas Commission - Review of Allowances (23 Oct 2012)

Eoghan Murphy: I understand that, but I wrote to this committee on 10 September asking that we review the business cases for the allowances. As the information had been compiled, it would have been an interesting exercise to undertake and the committee would have learned a great deal. Such a review had not been performed previously. The information would have provided transparency as to how such matters...

Public Accounts Committee: Department of Public Expenditure and Reform, Houses of the Oireachtas Commission - Review of Allowances (23 Oct 2012)

Eoghan Murphy: I thank Mr. Watt.

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