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Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 26 - Education and Skills - Reform of Education and Training Boards/SOLAS
SOLAS 2016 Financial Statements
Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 99 - Public Sector Financial Reporting for 2015
(16 Nov 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Is it not the case that there are under-utilised buildings and partly used buildings?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 26 - Education and Skills - Reform of Education and Training Boards/SOLAS
SOLAS 2016 Financial Statements
Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 99 - Public Sector Financial Reporting for 2015
(16 Nov 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 26 - Education and Skills - Reform of Education and Training Boards/SOLAS
SOLAS 2016 Financial Statements
Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 99 - Public Sector Financial Reporting for 2015
(16 Nov 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Some of the buildings are partly empty and some of them are partly occupied.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 26 - Education and Skills - Reform of Education and Training Boards/SOLAS
SOLAS 2016 Financial Statements
Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 99 - Public Sector Financial Reporting for 2015
(16 Nov 2017)

Catherine Connolly: All right.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 26 - Education and Skills - Reform of Education and Training Boards/SOLAS
SOLAS 2016 Financial Statements
Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 99 - Public Sector Financial Reporting for 2015
(16 Nov 2017)

Catherine Connolly: I apologise for interrupting the Chair. I am getting confused at this point. Some €110 million was provided to Caranua under section 42 of the Residential Institutions Statutory Fund Act 2012. Is that correct?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 26 - Education and Skills - Reform of Education and Training Boards/SOLAS
SOLAS 2016 Financial Statements
Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 99 - Public Sector Financial Reporting for 2015
(16 Nov 2017)

Catherine Connolly: In cash-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 26 - Education and Skills - Reform of Education and Training Boards/SOLAS
SOLAS 2016 Financial Statements
Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 99 - Public Sector Financial Reporting for 2015
(16 Nov 2017)

Catherine Connolly: In the July letter, the Department identified three buildings as being provided under section 42(2) of the 2012 Act.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 26 - Education and Skills - Reform of Education and Training Boards/SOLAS
SOLAS 2016 Financial Statements
Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 99 - Public Sector Financial Reporting for 2015
(16 Nov 2017)

Catherine Connolly: It is just a mechanism.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 26 - Education and Skills - Reform of Education and Training Boards/SOLAS
SOLAS 2016 Financial Statements
Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 99 - Public Sector Financial Reporting for 2015
(16 Nov 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Is that property in addition to the €110 million or in substitution for some of it?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 26 - Education and Skills - Reform of Education and Training Boards/SOLAS
SOLAS 2016 Financial Statements
Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 99 - Public Sector Financial Reporting for 2015
(16 Nov 2017)

Catherine Connolly: I will come back to that.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 26 - Education and Skills - Reform of Education and Training Boards/SOLAS
SOLAS 2016 Financial Statements
Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 99 - Public Sector Financial Reporting for 2015
(16 Nov 2017)

Catherine Connolly: I assume the €110 million is ring-fenced and is not reduced by the transfer of a building.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 26 - Education and Skills - Reform of Education and Training Boards/SOLAS
SOLAS 2016 Financial Statements
Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 99 - Public Sector Financial Reporting for 2015
(16 Nov 2017)

Catherine Connolly: It might cover-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 26 - Education and Skills - Reform of Education and Training Boards/SOLAS
SOLAS 2016 Financial Statements
Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 99 - Public Sector Financial Reporting for 2015
(16 Nov 2017)

Catherine Connolly: The Department might cover that in the letter.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 26 - Education and Skills - Reform of Education and Training Boards/SOLAS
SOLAS 2016 Financial Statements
Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 99 - Public Sector Financial Reporting for 2015
(16 Nov 2017)

Catherine Connolly: I welcome the essential work done by the Department of Education and Skills, SOLAS and the ETBs. I believe in the public sector, as well as lifelong learning, in which I have a particular interest. Our function is to make the system accountable in order that it can be improved. There was a refund from SOLAS to the Department. Will the witnesses tell us about the circumstances of that refund?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 26 - Education and Skills - Reform of Education and Training Boards/SOLAS
SOLAS 2016 Financial Statements
Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 99 - Public Sector Financial Reporting for 2015
(16 Nov 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Why was it unused with the demands on its services? Literacy is a major problem. The standing figure since the 1970s for illiteracy rates is between 17% and 20%.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 26 - Education and Skills - Reform of Education and Training Boards/SOLAS
SOLAS 2016 Financial Statements
Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 99 - Public Sector Financial Reporting for 2015
(16 Nov 2017)

Catherine Connolly: I understand that but my point is more about the use of the money, given the many problems with functional illiteracy. It is between 17% and 20% and has never changed despite all the investment. Why are moneys being handed back when there is significant use for them? I am picking one when there are many others. Illiteracy is obvious. If between 17% and 20% of the population is...

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 26 - Education and Skills - Reform of Education and Training Boards/SOLAS
SOLAS 2016 Financial Statements
Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 99 - Public Sector Financial Reporting for 2015
(16 Nov 2017)

Catherine Connolly: We will skip that. I want to deal with the use of the moneys.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 26 - Education and Skills - Reform of Education and Training Boards/SOLAS
SOLAS 2016 Financial Statements
Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 99 - Public Sector Financial Reporting for 2015
(16 Nov 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Is there a scope for using that money rather than returning it?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 26 - Education and Skills - Reform of Education and Training Boards/SOLAS
SOLAS 2016 Financial Statements
Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 99 - Public Sector Financial Reporting for 2015
(16 Nov 2017)

Catherine Connolly: I understand the circular and I am not taking issue with it. Obviously, spare moneys have to be returned. My issue is how there is spare money when there are so many demands on services.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 26 - Education and Skills - Reform of Education and Training Boards/SOLAS
SOLAS 2016 Financial Statements
Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 99 - Public Sector Financial Reporting for 2015
(16 Nov 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Yes, but the figure for illiteracy has remained constant since it was assessed in the 1970s. That is a reflection on our education system and all of us. If there is spare money, there should be a particular project for a specific time to finally deal with illiteracy and not accept it. It is not an inevitable difficulty and should be dealt with. Many other countries have dealt with it.

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