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Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board and Children's Health Ireland: Discussion (22 May 2025)

John Brady: I thank Deputy Dolan. I call Deputy Ardagh.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board and Children's Health Ireland: Discussion (22 May 2025)

John Brady: I thank Deputy Ardagh for that. I wish to ask some questions of our witnesses. Mr. Gunning is very confident that the hospital will be delivered with the revised budget of €1.88 million. He mentioned 16 claims totalling €800 million approximately. Is that correct?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board and Children's Health Ireland: Discussion (22 May 2025)

John Brady: He said that they were predominantly to do with the extension of time.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board and Children's Health Ireland: Discussion (22 May 2025)

John Brady: What is the largest claim within those 16?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board and Children's Health Ireland: Discussion (22 May 2025)

John Brady: You cannot give certainty, However, of those 16 considerable claims totalling €800 million, you might give us an example. What is the highest figure within those 16?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board and Children's Health Ireland: Discussion (22 May 2025)

John Brady: I acknowledge there is additional cost in terms of fitting out and all of that. The approved funding from the Government is €2.24 billion. I might ask Mr. Tierney if I am correct in stating that.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board and Children's Health Ireland: Discussion (22 May 2025)

John Brady: Are you confident that that figure will not increase? Are you as confident as Mr. Gunning that it will be delivered within the revised budget?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board and Children's Health Ireland: Discussion (22 May 2025)

John Brady: That is the last.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board and Children's Health Ireland: Discussion (22 May 2025)

John Brady: Mr. Gunning made reference to his staff a number of times. How many staff are working for the development board?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board and Children's Health Ireland: Discussion (22 May 2025)

John Brady: Permanent staff.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board and Children's Health Ireland: Discussion (22 May 2025)

John Brady: To be helpful, Mr. Gunning might send on the details.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board and Children's Health Ireland: Discussion (22 May 2025)

John Brady: Regarding communication between CHI and the development board, it has been stated that they came together to prepare for this meeting, and I hear what some of the members have said in relation to that. Apart from meeting in advance of this particular meeting, how often do they meet?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board and Children's Health Ireland: Discussion (22 May 2025)

John Brady: But they meet formally.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board and Children's Health Ireland: Discussion (22 May 2025)

John Brady: I imagine there are minutes for every meeting.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board and Children's Health Ireland: Discussion (22 May 2025)

John Brady: We appreciate that. In relation to CHI and the reviews that have gone on, members have already touched on the HIQA report, the governance failures and the use of unauthorised springs. Does CHI agree that the report is a damning indictment of the failed governance and oversight within the organisation at that point?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board and Children's Health Ireland: Discussion (22 May 2025)

John Brady: The standout line within that report, which was put to the board of CHI, is that children were not protected from the risk of harm. CHI has already agreed with that line.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board and Children's Health Ireland: Discussion (22 May 2025)

John Brady: The report makes reference to surgeon A and Ms Nugent made reference to a surgeon in her earlier contribution. I will not name surgeon A, who is referenced, or anything like that. However, what is the status of surgeon A to whom reference is made in the HIQA report?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board and Children's Health Ireland: Discussion (22 May 2025)

John Brady: Are they still employed? Are they still practising?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board and Children's Health Ireland: Discussion (22 May 2025)

John Brady: They are on leave.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board and Children's Health Ireland: Discussion (22 May 2025)

John Brady: Is that paid leave?

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