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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (16 Nov 2017)

Catherine Connolly: I might have missed it when I slipped out but was there an answer from the Health Service Executive on the Deloitte report?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (16 Nov 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Why not?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (16 Nov 2017)

Catherine Connolly: It was Deloitte. That is right. There has been no answer.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (16 Nov 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Please.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (16 Nov 2017)

Catherine Connolly: They are practical matters and should be answered.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 26 - Education and Skills - Reform of Education and Training Boards/SOLAS
SOLAS 2016 Financial Statements
Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 99 - Public Sector Financial Reporting for 2015
(16 Nov 2017)

Catherine Connolly: I have been given three letters and I am working on letters from the Department dated 26 July and 24 October 2017, where the Department attempts to clarify the premises that have been transferred under the 2002 indemnity agreement and the agreement in 2009. I would like a general comment as to why the transfers have not been completed some 15.5 years later. Before we do that, I wish to...

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 26 - Education and Skills - Reform of Education and Training Boards/SOLAS
SOLAS 2016 Financial Statements
Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 99 - Public Sector Financial Reporting for 2015
(16 Nov 2017)

Catherine Connolly: What money is outstanding?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 26 - Education and Skills - Reform of Education and Training Boards/SOLAS
SOLAS 2016 Financial Statements
Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 99 - Public Sector Financial Reporting for 2015
(16 Nov 2017)

Catherine Connolly: That is what I was trying to establish. It is correct to say that the cash was paid before 31 December 2015.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 26 - Education and Skills - Reform of Education and Training Boards/SOLAS
SOLAS 2016 Financial Statements
Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 99 - Public Sector Financial Reporting for 2015
(16 Nov 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Are those the six properties listed in the letter of 24 October 2017?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 26 - Education and Skills - Reform of Education and Training Boards/SOLAS
SOLAS 2016 Financial Statements
Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 99 - Public Sector Financial Reporting for 2015
(16 Nov 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Mr. Ó Foghlú is reading out the information that is in the letter of October. Has anything changed since then?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 26 - Education and Skills - Reform of Education and Training Boards/SOLAS
SOLAS 2016 Financial Statements
Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 99 - Public Sector Financial Reporting for 2015
(16 Nov 2017)

Catherine Connolly: I welcome the progress from April to October 2017. I welcome the letter setting this out. I deplore that it has taken this long, but that is a matter for another day. I will move on to the 2009 voluntary offers. Will Mr. Ó Foghlú help me with this one. In the letter of 26 July 2017, some 18 premises are listed.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 26 - Education and Skills - Reform of Education and Training Boards/SOLAS
SOLAS 2016 Financial Statements
Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 99 - Public Sector Financial Reporting for 2015
(16 Nov 2017)

Catherine Connolly: On 26 July, Mr. Ó Foghlú gave all committee members a list, running to three and a half pages. I count 15 premises, not 18. In the letter of October 2017, there are 13 premises listed. Some of the premises in the October list were not on the previous list. I am becoming totally confused. Am I correct that some 18 premises are to be handed over under the 2009 agreement?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 26 - Education and Skills - Reform of Education and Training Boards/SOLAS
SOLAS 2016 Financial Statements
Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 99 - Public Sector Financial Reporting for 2015
(16 Nov 2017)

Catherine Connolly: I am not here to score a point or embarrass officials. I am here because premises that were to be handed over in 2009 have not been handed over by 2017. I know this because one of the buildings in Galway has simply remained empty since 2009, but to my horror, that is not the only building. I tried to trace it up with the help of the Comptroller and Auditor General, who highlighted in a...

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 26 - Education and Skills - Reform of Education and Training Boards/SOLAS
SOLAS 2016 Financial Statements
Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 99 - Public Sector Financial Reporting for 2015
(16 Nov 2017)

Catherine Connolly: In a letter dated 26 July, Mr. Ó Foghlú provided a list of 15 properties. Why did I not get a list of 18 properties?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 26 - Education and Skills - Reform of Education and Training Boards/SOLAS
SOLAS 2016 Financial Statements
Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 99 - Public Sector Financial Reporting for 2015
(16 Nov 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Did the Sisters of Mercy give 15 properties?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 26 - Education and Skills - Reform of Education and Training Boards/SOLAS
SOLAS 2016 Financial Statements
Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 99 - Public Sector Financial Reporting for 2015
(16 Nov 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Did they offer the properties in 2009?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 26 - Education and Skills - Reform of Education and Training Boards/SOLAS
SOLAS 2016 Financial Statements
Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 99 - Public Sector Financial Reporting for 2015
(16 Nov 2017)

Catherine Connolly: That accounts for 15 properties, but to whom do the remaining three properties on that list of 18 properties belong?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 26 - Education and Skills - Reform of Education and Training Boards/SOLAS
SOLAS 2016 Financial Statements
Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 99 - Public Sector Financial Reporting for 2015
(16 Nov 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Will Mr. Ó Foghlú provide the committee with a list of the 18 properties that were offered in 2009 and the position as of today, regardless of which organisation they came from?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 26 - Education and Skills - Reform of Education and Training Boards/SOLAS
SOLAS 2016 Financial Statements
Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 99 - Public Sector Financial Reporting for 2015
(16 Nov 2017)

Catherine Connolly: That is great. When I look at the letter from Mr. Ó Foghlú dated 24 October 2017, under the heading of 2009 properties, and I compare the information with that in the letter from July 2017, the first five properties on the July list do not appear at all on the October list. Mr. Ó Foghlú has explained today that we asked for information on the properties owned by the...

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 26 - Education and Skills - Reform of Education and Training Boards/SOLAS
SOLAS 2016 Financial Statements
Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 99 - Public Sector Financial Reporting for 2015
(16 Nov 2017)

Catherine Connolly: It would be very helpful to the committee, if somebody were to write out a comprehensive letter, setting out the 18 premises outstanding since 2009, the position at which they are at, what money has been given over from the €110 million? Caranua was set up under statute and did the €110 million go to Caranua?

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