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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Current and Future Plans for Further and Higher Education: Minister for Further and Higher Education, Research, Innovation and Science (9 Oct 2024)

Rónán Mullen: Is it not funny people would have-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Current and Future Plans for Further and Higher Education: Minister for Further and Higher Education, Research, Innovation and Science (9 Oct 2024)

Rónán Mullen: If the Minister offered me €1,000, there is a big difference between telling me I will have it next year or I will have it at some time over the next 25 years.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Current and Future Plans for Further and Higher Education: Minister for Further and Higher Education, Research, Innovation and Science (9 Oct 2024)

Rónán Mullen: That is welcome.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Current and Future Plans for Further and Higher Education: Minister for Further and Higher Education, Research, Innovation and Science (9 Oct 2024)

Rónán Mullen: I am as fair-minded as the Minister but the Government is falling short in its stated commitments.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Current and Future Plans for Further and Higher Education: Minister for Further and Higher Education, Research, Innovation and Science (9 Oct 2024)

Rónán Mullen: Yes.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Current and Future Plans for Further and Higher Education: Minister for Further and Higher Education, Research, Innovation and Science (9 Oct 2024)

Rónán Mullen: I have asked my questions but I want to put this on the record. There is a lot to be welcomed in the budget and the universities are rightly thanking the Minister. They are disappointed, however, because they thought that by now there would be a roadmap and the €307 million shortfall would have been reached. We will not even have reached that amount by 2029 on the figures proposed.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Current and Future Plans for Further and Higher Education: Minister for Further and Higher Education, Research, Innovation and Science (9 Oct 2024)

Rónán Mullen: No, it will not be.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Current and Future Plans for Further and Higher Education: Minister for Further and Higher Education, Research, Innovation and Science (9 Oct 2024)

Rónán Mullen: It will be something more than €200 million.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Current and Future Plans for Further and Higher Education: Minister for Further and Higher Education, Research, Innovation and Science (9 Oct 2024)

Rónán Mullen: No, but if you add up the increases that have been given year on year since that commitment was made, by 2029 that cumulative increase will not have reached €307 million. That is a fact.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Current and Future Plans for Further and Higher Education: Minister for Further and Higher Education, Research, Innovation and Science (9 Oct 2024)

Rónán Mullen: They are not happy with the-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Current and Future Plans for Further and Higher Education: Minister for Further and Higher Education, Research, Innovation and Science (9 Oct 2024)

Rónán Mullen: I am very calm. This is me; this is calm.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Current and Future Plans for Further and Higher Education: Minister for Further and Higher Education, Research, Innovation and Science (9 Oct 2024)

Rónán Mullen: I am not rushing the Cathaoirleach. I will never rush him.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Current and Future Plans for Further and Higher Education: Minister for Further and Higher Education, Research, Innovation and Science (9 Oct 2024)

Rónán Mullen: That is a bit short-sighted.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Current and Future Plans for Further and Higher Education: Minister for Further and Higher Education, Research, Innovation and Science (9 Oct 2024)

Rónán Mullen: The Cathaoirleach is pulling my leg.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Current and Future Plans for Further and Higher Education: Minister for Further and Higher Education, Research, Innovation and Science (9 Oct 2024)

Rónán Mullen: I want to put my own satisfaction and delight at the announcement of the new veterinary college places on the record, particularly in Mountbellew, where I went to school myself. It is a tidy and thriving town. It will be good for those students, and they will be good for Mountbellew. We might meet some of those students in training when the vets come out in the middle of the night to look...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Current and Future Plans for Further and Higher Education: Minister for Further and Higher Education, Research, Innovation and Science (9 Oct 2024)

Rónán Mullen: I am happy to wait, and I mean no discourtesy, but this stuff is important and it has to be gone through. Three or four minutes will do it.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Current and Future Plans for Further and Higher Education: Minister for Further and Higher Education, Research, Innovation and Science (9 Oct 2024)

Rónán Mullen: I concluded the introduction.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Current and Future Plans for Further and Higher Education: Minister for Further and Higher Education, Research, Innovation and Science (9 Oct 2024)

Rónán Mullen: We will get through them now. The problem is, you have to be on board with the Athena Swan charter in Ireland if you want to get funding. That means it is a gateway and a control. If it is advancing politically contested principles, that is a problem for academic freedom. The questions to which I would be grateful for an answer, having regard to the briefing the Minister provided - and he...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Current and Future Plans for Further and Higher Education: Minister for Further and Higher Education, Research, Innovation and Science (9 Oct 2024)

Rónán Mullen: I thank the Minister. The charter requires acceptance of principles that impinge on freedom of conscious and religion, for example. One test of academic freedom would be that should an individual refuse to comply with the compulsions entailed in the Athena Swan Ireland charter, that the person in question would not suffer disadvantage. Are individual academics free to reject the charter in...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Current and Future Plans for Further and Higher Education: Minister for Further and Higher Education, Research, Innovation and Science (9 Oct 2024)

Rónán Mullen: Yes. The problem with what the Minister is saying, though, while it is fine in general terms and I agree with him that there is plenty of good that Athena SWAN set out to promote and defend, is how these things can get manipulated over time. We are living in a cancel culture kind of environment, where we see people who have views that differ from someone else's being accused of making the...

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