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Seanad: Veterinary Practice Bill 2004: Committee Stage. (22 Mar 2005)

Michael McCarthy: We will or we might?

Seanad: Veterinary Practice Bill 2004: Committee Stage. (22 Mar 2005)

Michael McCarthy: Considering the Minister's reply in respect of our position, I think I will move the amendment on Report Stage. I ask the Minister to seriously reflect on the amendment. I accept the Minister's point that we could discuss this issue indefinitely but it is a very important point. Since the Minister has gone so far with regard to so many sections of this Act, it would be remiss of her not to...

Seanad: Veterinary Practice Bill 2004: Committee Stage. (22 Mar 2005)

Michael McCarthy: There was a certain echo when the Acting Chairman said that the Minister, Senator Henry and the Labour Party have agreed on this section. I recognise the Minister's practicality with regard to this issue. To be fair to the Veterinary Council of Ireland, it has pointed out that deputy members are already provided for and the pensions scheme is approved by the Pensions Board. I thank the...

Seanad: Veterinary Practice Bill 2004: Committee Stage. (22 Mar 2005)

Michael McCarthy: I move amendment No. 24: In page 23, between lines 3 and 4, to insert the following new subsection: "(4) Part I of the Third Schedule to the Freedom of Information Act 1997 is amended by the insertion of reference to this section.". This amendment is self-explanatory. We wish to see the Freedom of Information Act apply to the council and accordingly it is appropriate to make reference to this...

Seanad: Veterinary Practice Bill 2004: Committee Stage. (22 Mar 2005)

Michael McCarthy: I move amendment No. 27: In page 24, lines 26 to 35, to delete subsection (1). For the purpose of clarity, are amendments Nos. 27 to 32, inclusive, grouped? Two of these amendments are in my name and three are in that of the Minister.

Seanad: Veterinary Practice Bill 2004: Committee Stage. (22 Mar 2005)

Michael McCarthy: I wish to hear the Minister's reply before moving my amendments.

Seanad: Veterinary Practice Bill 2004: Committee Stage. (22 Mar 2005)

Michael McCarthy: I welcome the part that agrees in principle with the amendments. It is good that the ban on members of local authorities has been removed. Whatever about everyone else, we are dealing with one type of body, the members of which were elected. Communities have faith in these people's ability to deliver at local government level. This should not necessarily suggest that their membership of local...

Seanad: Veterinary Practice Bill 2004: Committee Stage. (22 Mar 2005)

Michael McCarthy: I move amendment No. 43: In page 36, subsection (2)(a), line 3, after "a", to insert "Class A". This amendment is a result of the negotiations we have held with Veterinary Ireland. There is a point to be made about the temporary influx of foreign vets under the limited registration provisions. Examining this issue in the context of the manner in which limited registration applies to foreign...

Seanad: Veterinary Practice Bill 2004: Committee Stage. (22 Mar 2005)

Michael McCarthy: I thank the Minister but there are other reasons this amendment might be accepted. If there is a requirement to import expertise, this has a host of industrial relations implications. How many practitioners will be available? What will be the rate of remuneration? Consider the manner in which the retail market is being exploited by foreign companies. Accepting the Minister's response, I ask...

Seanad: Veterinary Practice Bill 2004: Committee Stage. (22 Mar 2005)

Michael McCarthy: I move amendment No. 44: In page 36, subsection (3)(a), line 7, after "requisite" to insert "educational qualification prescribed under section 66, and". Foreign registration applicants should have appropriate educational qualifications. Studying to enter the veterinary profession is very difficult. High points are required in the leaving certificate, and for the next six years students must...

Seanad: Veterinary Practice Bill 2004: Committee Stage. (22 Mar 2005)

Michael McCarthy: I acknowledge the Minister's response but it is important to reiterate that those involved in the profession want to ensure that the same standards of delivery to customers should apply no matter who is the practitioner. One sees young graduates from other countries beyond the European Union working in veterinary practices around the country. They cope well and are as capable of practising...

Seanad: Veterinary Practice Bill 2004: Committee Stage. (22 Mar 2005)

Michael McCarthy: How sure was the Minister when she maintained Members knew what necropsy was to begin with? I accept the Minister's pragmatism and her worthwhile and timely intervention.

Seanad: Veterinary Practice Bill 2004: Committee Stage. (22 Mar 2005)

Michael McCarthy: The most important phrase in the Minister's response was "welfare of the animal", which is enshrined in my amendment No. 60. It is a technical amendment to ensure that reference to the Veterinary Surgeons Act 1931 can be avoided. The Minister has accepted the general principle which is based on the welfare of the animal. I accept what Senator Henry said that it is an expensive business to...

Seanad: Veterinary Practice Bill 2004: Committee Stage. (22 Mar 2005)

Michael McCarthy: I too thank the Minister for dealing with this in terms of her own amendment. We discussed the matter on Second Stage. Graduates leave the veterinary college after six years of very hard study and then arrive on to the practical field of their profession with, in some cases, no internship and, therefore, no experience. They might have the knowledge but they would not have the practical...

Seanad: Veterinary Practice Bill 2004: Committee Stage. (22 Mar 2005)

Michael McCarthy: I move amendment No. 65: In page 43, line 10, to delete ", the details of which are registered on the Register". If the Minister has spare civil servants, perhaps she would dispatch them to Members who have tabled too many amendments. My amendment deals with the details registered on the register. Section 57, as drafted, would make it a criminal offence for a vet to advertise or use any...

Seanad: Veterinary Practice Bill 2004: Committee Stage. (22 Mar 2005)

Michael McCarthy: I thank the Minister for providing clarification. A fair point was made by members of the profession that a situation could arise whereby unqualified persons could involve themselves in carrying out procedures or certain prescribed acts that would subtract from what an established professional practice has to offer. For example, a person trained by, but not possessing the same educational...

Seanad: Veterinary Practice Bill 2004: Committee Stage. (22 Mar 2005)

Michael McCarthy: I agree the Minister has gone some way in dealing with this matter but we need to be mindful of the bigger picture. If the Minister were not so resolute in her determination to proceed with her amendment rather than those tabled by myself and Senator Henry, our amendments could be examined more closely on Report Stage.

Seanad: Veterinary Practice Bill 2004: Committee Stage. (22 Mar 2005)

Michael McCarthy: The Minister is being too generous to me as the error was spotted by my parliamentary assistants. I thank the Minister for accepting the amendment.

Seanad: Veterinary Practice Bill 2004: Committee Stage. (22 Mar 2005)

Michael McCarthy: I move amendment No. 89: In page 57, subsection (4)(c), line 9, to delete ", or the testimony of the applicant". The section appears to suggest the fitness to practise committee can require the applicant to give evidence against himself or herself. The Labour Party considers this inappropriate and has tabled an amendment to correct it.

Seanad: Veterinary Practice Bill 2004: Committee Stage (Resumed). (23 Mar 2005)

Michael McCarthy: For the purposes of clarity, section 78(4)(c) of the Bill reads as follows: "evidence that the Fitness to Practise Committee decides is appropriate to and will assist it with its inquiry, such as the testimony of a person who has expertise in an area of veterinary science, or any other area that is relevant to the inquiry, or the testimony of the applicant." My amendment proposes to delete...

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