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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (23 Jan 2014)

John McGuinness: Did we get all of the information?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (23 Jan 2014)

John McGuinness: Is that agreed? Agreed. Turning to correspondence received since our meeting on 16 January 2014, No. 3A covers correspondence from Accounting Officers and Ministers. No. 3A.1 is correspondence dated 15 January 2014 from Ms Deirdre McDonnell, principal officer at the Department of Education and Skills, in response to an issue of public procurement contracts by the small to medium-sized...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (23 Jan 2014)

John McGuinness: No. 3A.2 is dated 23 December 2013 from Dr. Ambrose McLoughlin, Secretary General of the Department of Health re further information requested at our meeting of 19 December. This is to be noted and published. Some of the issues relate to the CRC and will be considered when we receive the special report. No. 3B covers individual correspondence. No. 3B.1 is dated 10 January 2014 from Mr....

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Management of Fixed Charge Notice System
(23 Jan 2014)

John McGuinness: We will deal now with No. 7, 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General, Chapter 7 - Management of the Fixed Charge Notice system. I remind members, witnesses and visitors in the Public Gallery to ensure their mobile phones are switched off. A number of complaints were made to the committee following its previous and other meetings in relation to interference from mobile...

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Management of Fixed Charge Notice System
(23 Jan 2014)

John McGuinness: Yes Mr. Kevin Clarke and Mr. Ronan Gallagher, respectively, both of whom I welcome to the meeting. I now invite Mr. Seamus McCarthy, Comptroller and Auditor General, to make his opening statement.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Management of Fixed Charge Notice System
(23 Jan 2014)

John McGuinness: Thank you, Mr. McCarthy. I invite you, Mr. Callinan, to give your opening statement. I wish to make you aware that before you came to this morning's meeting we received further correspondence relating to this matter from Mr. Wilson and a Mr. McCabe and further documentation was given by the justice committee to the clerk to the committee yesterday.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Management of Fixed Charge Notice System
(23 Jan 2014)

John McGuinness: I thank the Commissioner for his presentation. May we publish the statement?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Management of Fixed Charge Notice System
(23 Jan 2014)

John McGuinness: I call Deputy Nolan.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Management of Fixed Charge Notice System
(23 Jan 2014)

John McGuinness: I would like to be of assistance. The Garda Commissioner asked how "corruption" is defined. I remind him that under the reporting of malpractice and corruption Act, it is defined as covering falsehood and prevarication, deliberate falsification of records and improper influence to make personal or family gain. Is that document circulated to members of the force? It defines corruption. I...

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Management of Fixed Charge Notice System
(23 Jan 2014)

John McGuinness: It defines it as falsehood and prevarication, deliberate falsification of records or improper influence to make personal or family gain. I think that is the answer to the Garda Commissioner's question. Is that correct?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Management of Fixed Charge Notice System
(23 Jan 2014)

John McGuinness: It is how "corruption" is outlined by An Garda Síochána under the reporting of malpractice and corruption Act. There is a paragraph on it. I will not read the entire paragraph. It includes falsehood and prevarication, deliberate falsification of records and improper influence to make personal or family gain. As I understand it, that is the definition of "corruption" as outlined...

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Management of Fixed Charge Notice System
(23 Jan 2014)

John McGuinness: There are other elements described in this paragraph. I am only taking the-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Management of Fixed Charge Notice System
(23 Jan 2014)

John McGuinness: Mr. O'Mahoney may respond if he wishes.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Management of Fixed Charge Notice System
(23 Jan 2014)

John McGuinness: I wish to clarify certain matters before calling the next speaker. Given that we have exchanged correspondence on this matter, like any committee of the House or any individual, we took legal advice on the matter and we retained the box of information. I simply want to place on record that we were given the opportunity to examine the box to see whether it was of any relevance to the...

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Management of Fixed Charge Notice System
(23 Jan 2014)

John McGuinness: He is also welcome to examine, without taking it away, the box we originally examined, in order to complete the information gap that seems to be there. It is a fact that other Members of the House and other committees of the House received similar information from the two whistleblowers. Yesterday we received a letter which was sent to the justice committee on 12 January and received by it...

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Management of Fixed Charge Notice System
(23 Jan 2014)

John McGuinness: By way of concluding this part of proceedings, I wish to state that the Committee of Public Accounts last night agreed to engage again with one of the whistleblowers because he asked to come before us. We agreed that we would hear his evidence on Thursday next. I think the Commissioner should be aware of that. In the letter to which I referred earlier, the second whistleblower has stated,...

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Management of Fixed Charge Notice System
(23 Jan 2014)

John McGuinness: That is why-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Management of Fixed Charge Notice System
(23 Jan 2014)

John McGuinness: That is why I raise the matter with the Commissioner. We will pass on the information so that he will be aware of what the committee is examining. That is only fair. The committee has not, as yet, decided whether the matter will be dealt with in public or private session. That is a matter with which we will deal next week having heard the Commissioner's evidence today. So the issue will...

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Management of Fixed Charge Notice System
(23 Jan 2014)

John McGuinness: The Commissioner will appreciate that I could not allow the hearing to proceed further without informing him of the position from our point of view. It is only fair that everyone should be aware of that position.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Management of Fixed Charge Notice System
(23 Jan 2014)

John McGuinness: Take care of the time, Deputy.

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