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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 Dec 2017)

Marc MacSharry: I think it is a concern in all parts of the country that we are losing the local ownership and knowledge aspect of the service, which I regret. In fairness to Deputy Aylward, it would be good if we could hold over this matter.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 Dec 2017)

Marc MacSharry: That is perfect. We can do it altogether.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 Dec 2017)

Marc MacSharry: We have not really started our work on the ETBs. Dr. Thorn will continue with his work. I understand the concerns raised about the briefing and it is reasonable to write to highlight them to the Department of Finance but we should still forward the correspondence, both to the Department as part of our letter and to Dr. Thorn.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 Dec 2017)

Marc MacSharry: Sorry. That is what I meant. We will probably have a good few meetings next year on the wider ETB subject, including the Kildare and Wicklow ETB.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 Dec 2017)

Marc MacSharry: We should tell the Department that we have an issue with it.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 Dec 2017)

Marc MacSharry: We should ask the Department to note it. We should say it has been highlighted and some members of the committee would have issues about it if its contents are true.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 Dec 2017)

Marc MacSharry: Sorry, but I was distracted. What point is the Deputy raising?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3 - Cost of Bank Stabilisation Measures as at the end of 2016
Irish Bank Resolution Corporation Liquidation
(14 Dec 2017)

Marc MacSharry: We should let people make their opening statements and we can comment on the issue as part of our time allocated.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3 - Cost of Bank Stabilisation Measures as at the end of 2016
Irish Bank Resolution Corporation Liquidation
(14 Dec 2017)

Marc MacSharry: There is a finite number of attendees, so the Acting Chair might be more lenient with time.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3 - Cost of Bank Stabilisation Measures as at the end of 2016
Irish Bank Resolution Corporation Liquidation
(14 Dec 2017)

Marc MacSharry: We skipped over the correspondence on this so we would have an opportunity to go through it. Can my email be displayed on the screen? The initial correspondence from the Department of Finance to do with the legal issue came in on 12 December. There were two pieces of correspondence that came in after I had emailed my concerns on 13 December. What times on the 13th did they come in? There...

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3 - Cost of Bank Stabilisation Measures as at the end of 2016
Irish Bank Resolution Corporation Liquidation
(14 Dec 2017)

Marc MacSharry: That is grand. The other letter came in on the 12th, informing us of the plenary summons seeking declaration reliefs. From my layman's point of view, and I stand to be corrected if I am wrong, a declaration relief is where the Minister is not being sued for money or such recourse. If the person wins the case, the court will make declarations to do with how the liquidation is going. Costs...

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3 - Cost of Bank Stabilisation Measures as at the end of 2016
Irish Bank Resolution Corporation Liquidation
(14 Dec 2017)

Marc MacSharry: I do not have time for it to be honest. We have a finite amount of time.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3 - Cost of Bank Stabilisation Measures as at the end of 2016
Irish Bank Resolution Corporation Liquidation
(14 Dec 2017)

Marc MacSharry: That is fine. We wish him well and a speedy recovery. I do not need a big preamble to justify the position. The committee received the Department's correspondence. Mr. Carville knows my view on it. I only have 20 minutes and I want to get through some pretty pointed questions.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3 - Cost of Bank Stabilisation Measures as at the end of 2016
Irish Bank Resolution Corporation Liquidation
(14 Dec 2017)

Marc MacSharry: I will ask them. When Mr. Carville cannot answer a question he can say that he is sorry but that he cannot answer it. Okay. I will ask them anyway, however.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3 - Cost of Bank Stabilisation Measures as at the end of 2016
Irish Bank Resolution Corporation Liquidation
(14 Dec 2017)

Marc MacSharry: We could argue about that. If I was in Mr. Carville's position and wanted to answer the question, I would answer it. Is the Department defending this case?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3 - Cost of Bank Stabilisation Measures as at the end of 2016
Irish Bank Resolution Corporation Liquidation
(14 Dec 2017)

Marc MacSharry: Is the Department defending it?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3 - Cost of Bank Stabilisation Measures as at the end of 2016
Irish Bank Resolution Corporation Liquidation
(14 Dec 2017)

Marc MacSharry: Okay. May I go ahead?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3 - Cost of Bank Stabilisation Measures as at the end of 2016
Irish Bank Resolution Corporation Liquidation
(14 Dec 2017)

Marc MacSharry: Did the Department contact the special liquidators and tell them not to attend? Did anybody in the Department do that?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3 - Cost of Bank Stabilisation Measures as at the end of 2016
Irish Bank Resolution Corporation Liquidation
(14 Dec 2017)

Marc MacSharry: Why did the Department respond on their behalf in the letter the other day?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 3 - Cost of Bank Stabilisation Measures as at the end of 2016
Irish Bank Resolution Corporation Liquidation
(14 Dec 2017)

Marc MacSharry: They could be joined as a co-defendant.

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