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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Bus Coach Sector: Discussion (19 Oct 2022)

Gerry Horkan: Are either Go-Ahead or Aircoach, for example, part of it?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Bus Coach Sector: Discussion (19 Oct 2022)

Gerry Horkan: What percentage of the coaches most of us see on the roads of Ireland do the CTTC represent?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Bus Coach Sector: Discussion (19 Oct 2022)

Gerry Horkan: I am just trying to get a handle on what is and what is not in. We have had many issues with Go-Ahead in terms of driver shortages, services not appearing and so on. I will address those issues to representatives of Go-Ahead on a different day as I do not want to be giving the CTTC the flak for an organisation it does not represent. There were four main points in the presentation and I was...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Bus Coach Sector: Discussion (19 Oct 2022)

Gerry Horkan: One third. Much of what we have discussed today has been about the licensing problem and it is just that. It is something we can take on and deliver the message to the NTA, whose representatives are regularly before this committee. A big chunk of the CTTC business involves driving tourists around the west of Ireland, the Ring of Kerry and all the other things such as school tours, summer...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Bus Coach Sector: Discussion (19 Oct 2022)

Gerry Horkan: Is that a combination of the RSA, the NTA, the National Driver Licence Service, NDLS-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Bus Coach Sector: Discussion (19 Oct 2022)

Gerry Horkan: Has the CTTC had discussions with them about this process?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Bus Coach Sector: Discussion (19 Oct 2022)

Gerry Horkan: What are they saying?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Bus Coach Sector: Discussion (19 Oct 2022)

Gerry Horkan: Having listened to the opening statement and the witnesses' interactions with other members, it is clear that the whole system is out of date and creaking and that technology and online systems could, as they did with motor tax approximately 20 years ago when we were all queuing up in social welfare offices or tax offices for hours to get bits of papers stamped and processed, allow people to...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Bus Coach Sector: Discussion (19 Oct 2022)

Gerry Horkan: The recognition may be easier but someone is still supposed to do it.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Bus Coach Sector: Discussion (19 Oct 2022)

Gerry Horkan: A coach operator is required to ensure that every one of its drivers has an Irish-issued licence and is not supposed - I presume they do not - to employ people who do not have the required-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Bus Coach Sector: Discussion (19 Oct 2022)

Gerry Horkan: Even just exchanging a licence causes a delay. People from those countries whose licences we do not recognise need to apply for a test and do the test. Is it only then that they can apply for their work permits or can that be done in tandem? I am trying to flesh out all of the-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Bus Coach Sector: Discussion (19 Oct 2022)

Gerry Horkan: Is it correct to say that non-EU drivers need work permits?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Bus Coach Sector: Discussion (19 Oct 2022)

Gerry Horkan: They have to apply-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Bus Coach Sector: Discussion (19 Oct 2022)

Gerry Horkan: -----for tests and start from scratch, albeit they may pass their tests on the first attempt. The testing times in respect of coach licences are long.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Bus Coach Sector: Discussion (19 Oct 2022)

Gerry Horkan: We could have coach drivers coming to Ireland from non-EU European countries who have been driving buses in their respective countries for years but who have to start here as if they had never been on a motorbike or tractor before.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Bus Coach Sector: Discussion (19 Oct 2022)

Gerry Horkan: Is it possible or highly likely?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Bus Coach Sector: Discussion (19 Oct 2022)

Gerry Horkan: The non-exchange ones.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Bus Coach Sector: Discussion (19 Oct 2022)

Gerry Horkan: Not many of us have touched on the issue of sustainability so far. What is the general age and size of the fleet? Is it moving towards hydrogen or electrical power? Are there Government supports for that or is there any movement in that direction? We have Zero Emission Vehicles Ireland, ZEVI, and there is a great deal of discussion about taxis, but where are we in decarbonising the fleet...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Bus Coach Sector: Discussion (19 Oct 2022)

Gerry Horkan: How many coaches would that €5 million cover? Is it ten? Is it 20?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Bus Coach Sector: Discussion (19 Oct 2022)

Gerry Horkan: There is a great deal of work to be done, not just by operators, but by the Government if it wants operators to become sustainable.

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