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Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (3 Jul 2014)

Mary Lou McDonald: Is is Mr. Cregan's argument that it is the path of least resistance?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (3 Jul 2014)

Mary Lou McDonald: Although Mr. Cregan has carried out his work very diligently, I think he has agreed with me that he is part of the HSE apparatus that was not as assertive or vigilant as it might have been in respect of the breaches of public pay policy in the CRC and bringing it into line with public pay. Why is he, as a representative of the funder and the statutory agency that is the guardian of public...

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (3 Jul 2014)

Mary Lou McDonald: Yes, but if Mr. Cregan cannot answer it on behalf of the HSE, I will ask Ms McGuinness.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (3 Jul 2014)

Mary Lou McDonald: I thank Mr. Cregan.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (3 Jul 2014)

Mary Lou McDonald: The big difficulty with that is that whatever the legal niceties, the vast majority of people who work in the clinic, contract or no contract, had their salaries cut by way of emergency legislation.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (3 Jul 2014)

Mary Lou McDonald: Every other employee has no option, as there is no opt-out in terms of staying within the salary norms. As Mr. Cregan knows, and he has put it very succinctly in his report, under public pay policy a section 38 organisation is not entitled to pay remuneration above a rate as reduced in accordance with that policy or any general agreement on pay. In other words, the organisation does not...

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (3 Jul 2014)

Mary Lou McDonald: Is it not really important that we hammer that message home? With a view to rebuilding confidence in the CRC and every other section 38 organisation, there is no option. It is not à la carteand one does not apply public pay policy willy-nilly or in a preferential manner. The policy is the policy, regardless of whether one is the CEO, the nurse or the carer. It does not matter as all...

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (3 Jul 2014)

Mary Lou McDonald: I know Mr Cregan has said that. I wish both Mr. Timmins and Ms Manahan good luck in their respective roles. May I ask them to confirm that they understand that all employees, including Ms Manahan in her role as CEO, are in fact public servants and are bound by public sector pay policy, standards and norms?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (3 Jul 2014)

Mary Lou McDonald: Excellent. I thank the witnesses. I thought Mr. Goulding sounded a bit offended in his opening statement abut the fact that we are here. He went off script and wondered out loud why we are all here. I presume that was just a throwaway comment and I should not read too much of significance into it. I am sure he understands why we are here.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (3 Jul 2014)

Mary Lou McDonald: Excellent. There was a deliberate contrivance to avoid cuts in pay for the chosen few in CRC. That was not very honourable. I am assuming, given Mr. Goulding's background and clear attachment to the CRC, that he operates on the basis of equality for employees of that clinic and he does not work to the notion that some are more equal than others.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (3 Jul 2014)

Mary Lou McDonald: Did Mr. Goulding up the ante and pay more to Mr. Kiely to compensate him for losses on the State end of salary?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (3 Jul 2014)

Mary Lou McDonald: No?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (3 Jul 2014)

Mary Lou McDonald: So Mr. Goulding rejects Mr. Cregan's finding?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (3 Jul 2014)

Mary Lou McDonald: Does Mr. Goulding reject Mr. Cregan's finding or assertion that there was a contrivance to protect-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (3 Jul 2014)

Mary Lou McDonald: Can I ask Mr. Cregan how he reacts to that?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (3 Jul 2014)

Mary Lou McDonald: Does Mr. Goulding see the point in what Mr. Cregan has said?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (3 Jul 2014)

Mary Lou McDonald: Hang on a second-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (3 Jul 2014)

Mary Lou McDonald: Mr. Goulding does not need to worry about those others.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (3 Jul 2014)

Mary Lou McDonald: No. I assume Mr. Goulding read page 10 of the report, which states that "under public pay policy, a Section 38 organisation is not entitled to pay remuneration above a rate as reduced".

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (3 Jul 2014)

Mary Lou McDonald: Does he understand that-----