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Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Annual Report and Financial Statements 2012
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(16 Jan 2014)

John McGuinness: Other members have indicated. You can come back in again.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Annual Report and Financial Statements 2012
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(16 Jan 2014)

John McGuinness: Deputy O'Donnell made a suggestion that we bring Mr. Kiely back before the committee.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Annual Report and Financial Statements 2012
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(16 Jan 2014)

John McGuinness: What went on here is shameful. I propose that we bring in Mr. Nugent and Mr. Martin as well as Mr. Kiely. It is unbelievable - not so much what has happened but in terms of some of Mr. Conlan's participation, not in these events themselves but, as he says, the fact that he did not attend the meetings in question and did not know what was going on. I find that hard to believe.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Annual Report and Financial Statements 2012
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(16 Jan 2014)

John McGuinness: I have suggested those three individuals because they attended the last meeting.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Annual Report and Financial Statements 2012
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(16 Jan 2014)

John McGuinness: I have no objection to extending the invitation to the members of the board who attended the special meeting and made these decisions.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Annual Report and Financial Statements 2012
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(16 Jan 2014)

John McGuinness: Deputy Deasy asked the same question at the previous meeting in regard to the sum that was paid. To my recollection, he was quite specific in asking that question and the answer he received was that it was €200,000. Later, as I understand it, Deputy Deasy pressed the case in regard to how Mr. Kiely felt about the fact that this sum had come out of moneys collected from the public....

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Annual Report and Financial Statements 2012
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(16 Jan 2014)

John McGuinness: It has been indicated to me that a member of the HSE is checking whether that documentation is available. We will know shortly.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Annual Report and Financial Statements 2012
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(16 Jan 2014)

John McGuinness: Yes, we have asked for them.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Annual Report and Financial Statements 2012
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(16 Jan 2014)

John McGuinness: If the Deputy wishes to continue, he may do so and Mr. O'Brien can provide the information when he has it to hand.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Annual Report and Financial Statements 2012
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(16 Jan 2014)

John McGuinness: When did that happen?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Annual Report and Financial Statements 2012
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(16 Jan 2014)

John McGuinness: I was referring to the transfer of the €3 million.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Annual Report and Financial Statements 2012
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(16 Jan 2014)

John McGuinness: Could I stop Deputy McDonald there for a moment? Mr. Conlan has stated he was not aware of the appointment of MERC. Members have just received the minutes of the meeting which took place on 25 March. They refer to the fact that the chairman informed the meeting that Mr. Nugent and Mr. Conlan had a preliminary meeting with MERC, a recruitment company, to discuss the available options and...

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Annual Report and Financial Statements 2012
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(16 Jan 2014)

John McGuinness: Mr. Conlan did not tell us that earlier. He is economic with the truth here, or with the facts. That is the frustration being experienced by members. I must draw Mr. Conlan's attention to the importance of this meeting and the evidence being given. It would appear to me that Mr. Conlan is not giving the full picture when he is asked questions. It is hard to believe some of his remarks...

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Annual Report and Financial Statements 2012
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(16 Jan 2014)

John McGuinness: Deputy Deasy has a question.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Annual Report and Financial Statements 2012
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(16 Jan 2014)

John McGuinness: If Mr. Conlan does not mind, we will check that.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Annual Report and Financial Statements 2012
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(16 Jan 2014)

John McGuinness: Good. I call Deputy Harris.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Annual Report and Financial Statements 2012
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(16 Jan 2014)

John McGuinness: We are checking that now with the HSE.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Annual Report and Financial Statements 2012
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(16 Jan 2014)

John McGuinness: That is fine, Mr. O'Brien has done a good job.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Annual Report and Financial Statements 2012
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(16 Jan 2014)

John McGuinness: We will get that.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Annual Report and Financial Statements 2012
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(16 Jan 2014)

John McGuinness: How did Mr. Conlan do that?

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