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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Public Expenditure Allocation 2013: Vote 30 - Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine (25 Oct 2012)

Simon Coveney: Over the last five years. One can twist and turn these figures whatever way one wants. In terms of the savings we are being asked to make versus other Departments next year, our figure is 8.5%. My colleague is calculating the savings in respect of some other Departments and I will give the members those figures. My job is to minimise the amount of cuts we have to make in our Department,...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Public Expenditure Allocation 2013: Vote 30 - Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine (25 Oct 2012)

Simon Coveney: It will be in the previous year.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Public Expenditure Allocation 2013: Vote 30 - Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine (25 Oct 2012)

Simon Coveney: Let me explain that. On that question first, if we do not make the savings we had hoped to make on DAS, we will be paying out everything that we would have been paying out on DAS but we will have to make those savings from other areas this year. We have had to re-jig our figures through the year, as we saw those savings or non-savings materialising. We have had to factor that in. In other...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Public Expenditure Allocation 2013: Vote 30 - Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine (25 Oct 2012)

Simon Coveney: Yes.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Public Expenditure Allocation 2013: Vote 30 - Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine (25 Oct 2012)

Simon Coveney: If one were to pay out as much as we are currently paying out, which is about €25 million, one would have to add on €12 million on what would be paid next year.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Public Expenditure Allocation 2013: Vote 30 - Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine (25 Oct 2012)

Simon Coveney: AEOS is a €20 million scheme per year. Next year, AEOS starts from March because of the processing time and so forth. The scheme’s payments will not cover the year.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Public Expenditure Allocation 2013: Vote 30 - Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine (25 Oct 2012)

Simon Coveney: Most of the cost of AEOS 3 for next year will be paid in the following year.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Public Expenditure Allocation 2013: Vote 30 - Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine (25 Oct 2012)

Simon Coveney: Most of the AEOS expenditure next year will be on AEOS 1 and 2 which we have already factored into this.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Public Expenditure Allocation 2013: Vote 30 - Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine (25 Oct 2012)

Simon Coveney: That would be a ballpark figure.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Public Expenditure Allocation 2013: Vote 30 - Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine (25 Oct 2012)

Simon Coveney: This is the kind of conversation we are having.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Public Expenditure Allocation 2013: Vote 30 - Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine (25 Oct 2012)

Simon Coveney: There are many ways of making those savings.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Public Expenditure Allocation 2013: Vote 30 - Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine (25 Oct 2012)

Simon Coveney: I did not say that. I said I will not know until the end of the year whether it is €15 million or €20 million. It is possible that instead of making savings of €30 million, it may be somewhere between €15 million and €20 million. We have to see what the final drawdown is, as well as what the appeals and derogation processes turn up.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Public Expenditure Allocation 2013: Vote 30 - Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine (25 Oct 2012)

Simon Coveney: It is difficult to be accurate because many of the schemes we operate are demand-led schemes. Under the targeted agricultural modernisation scheme, TAMS, we have to wait for applicants. If people do not draw down the money from a processing grant, we do not spend it then.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Public Expenditure Allocation 2013: Vote 30 - Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine (25 Oct 2012)

Simon Coveney: Those profiles are changed as appropriate.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Public Expenditure Allocation 2013: Vote 30 - Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine (25 Oct 2012)

Simon Coveney: We have made those calculations. Those data are available. The Commission is asking for more detailed data, however.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Public Expenditure Allocation 2013: Vote 30 - Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine (25 Oct 2012)

Simon Coveney: That information is available; it is not hidden. We considered making decisions on cuts last year on the basis of levels of disadvantage in respect of making savings in the disadvantaged areas scheme. We can do that again this year. We made a decision on that very issue. In my view farms that are split between disadvantaged areas and non-disadvantaged areas are not as disadvantaged in...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Public Expenditure Allocation 2013: Vote 30 - Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine (25 Oct 2012)

Simon Coveney: We have given thought to what the Deputy suggests. We even considered going further in terms of differentiating between less favoured and severely disadvantaged areas. We will revisit the issue this year.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Public Expenditure Allocation 2013: Vote 30 - Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine (25 Oct 2012)

Simon Coveney: We have that information.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Public Expenditure Allocation 2013: Vote 30 - Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine (25 Oct 2012)

Simon Coveney: We can probably do that.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Public Expenditure Allocation 2013: Vote 30 - Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine (25 Oct 2012)

Simon Coveney: No, payments vary from €80 to €100 per hectare.

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