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Public Accounts Committee: Children’s Health Ireland and National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Discussion (19 Oct 2023)

Imelda Munster: I will start with questions for Mr. Gunning, if I may. BAM furnished an updated programme of work in July and it was non-compliant. What date was given in that programme of work?

Public Accounts Committee: Children’s Health Ireland and National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Discussion (19 Oct 2023)

Imelda Munster: Mr. Gunning can state definitively that he sees the new updated programme of work as being compliant.

Public Accounts Committee: Children’s Health Ireland and National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Discussion (19 Oct 2023)

Imelda Munster: Did Mr. Gunning state that only 65% of targets are being hit but BAM is insisting there are sufficient workers?

Public Accounts Committee: Children’s Health Ireland and National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Discussion (19 Oct 2023)

Imelda Munster: Is there a guarantee in the new updated programme of work that those resources will be in place? If so, as of when?

Public Accounts Committee: Children’s Health Ireland and National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Discussion (19 Oct 2023)

Imelda Munster: Given what went on in the past, does Mr. Gunning believe that updated programme and the commitments BAM has made are genuine? The previous one was non-compliant, so BAM furnished the board with another one. Is this a way for BAM to avoid financial fines?

Public Accounts Committee: Children’s Health Ireland and National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Discussion (19 Oct 2023)

Imelda Munster: That is why I am asking. Mr. Gunning has engaged and the history is there.

Public Accounts Committee: Children’s Health Ireland and National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Discussion (19 Oct 2023)

Imelda Munster: Mr. Gunning is taking that as genuine.

Public Accounts Committee: Children’s Health Ireland and National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Discussion (19 Oct 2023)

Imelda Munster: Mr. Gunning is going with the date of the end of October 2024. The actual completion would take a further six months.

Public Accounts Committee: Children’s Health Ireland and National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Discussion (19 Oct 2023)

Imelda Munster: Yes, the service activation will take six months.

Public Accounts Committee: Children’s Health Ireland and National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Discussion (19 Oct 2023)

Imelda Munster: I am concerned-----

Public Accounts Committee: Children’s Health Ireland and National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Discussion (19 Oct 2023)

Imelda Munster: Okay. With regard to the service activation, there is reference to a six-month period. Ms Hardiman stated it is a complex operation. Is it not normally a nine-month period for service activation? I asked Mr. Gunning at a previous meeting about the nine-month period and he stated that was correct. Given it is a complex operation, why is a period of six months being given?

Public Accounts Committee: Children’s Health Ireland and National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Discussion (19 Oct 2023)

Imelda Munster: At least six months.

Public Accounts Committee: Children’s Health Ireland and National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Discussion (19 Oct 2023)

Imelda Munster: Being extremely optimistic that everything falls into place and goes to schedule, it will be six months. Realistically, however-----

Public Accounts Committee: Children’s Health Ireland and National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Discussion (19 Oct 2023)

Imelda Munster: We all want that but my point is that in the general scheme of things, it is normally a nine-month period. I know CHI is doing work in advance, but it is a massive project and it is normally a nine-month period.

Public Accounts Committee: Children’s Health Ireland and National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Discussion (19 Oct 2023)

Imelda Munster: I accept that.

Public Accounts Committee: Children’s Health Ireland and National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Discussion (19 Oct 2023)

Imelda Munster: I thank Ms Hardiman. The NPHDB wrote to the Minister to request additional capital. To what specifically does that relate? Is it anything to do with the claims?

Public Accounts Committee: Children’s Health Ireland and National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Discussion (19 Oct 2023)

Imelda Munster: I asked whether it relates to the claims.

Public Accounts Committee: Children’s Health Ireland and National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Discussion (19 Oct 2023)

Imelda Munster: Mr. Gunning cannot give an overall new price tag whatsoever.

Public Accounts Committee: Children’s Health Ireland and National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Discussion (19 Oct 2023)

Imelda Munster: Mr. Gunning stated BAM submitted 2,379 claims.

Public Accounts Committee: Children’s Health Ireland and National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Discussion (19 Oct 2023)

Imelda Munster: For a total of €756 million. Mr. Gunning gave a breakdown of the 28 claims that settled for €2 million. Realistically, could we be looking at that sort of amount being paid out for those claims or is there no chance whatsoever that it will not cost us more than €700 million?