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Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)

Catherine Connolly: It is difficult to continue with the interruption.

Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)

Catherine Connolly: The service providers were not consulted, Mr. O'Brien, after that but the health executive is consulted. Is that right?

Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Mr. O'Brien had better know the answers. He is here to answer questions. He commissioned-----

Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Mr. O'Brien, let me finish. Mr. O'Brien commissioned an independent report-----

Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Answer it, please. What question?

Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)

Catherine Connolly: So we are going to find out from the processes what happened after that. Mr. O'Brien does not know if, after May, whether the service providers were contacted again.

Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)

Catherine Connolly: On the record, is Mr. O'Brien sure that no obstacles will be put in the way of Deloitte furnishing us with the draft report that we are all talking about?

Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Listen to my question. Is Mr. O'Brien sure that he will put no obstacle in the way of Deloitte?

Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Good. I just want it clarified. Lots of things have been said over many years. Mr. O'Brien's conclusion has been very ably gone into by Deputy Cullinane. Mr. O'Brien's letter dated 26 September 2017 was sent to Mr. Lenihan. Mr. O'Brien speaks directly about the Deloitte report when he states, "Consequently, the Service Provider was not treated either unfairly or disproportionately when...

Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)

Catherine Connolly: It is good that he is clear. How did the High Court case arise? Who took the case?

Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)

Catherine Connolly: No, just say.

Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Nothing hangs on this matter. I simply want to know who brought the case.

Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Okay.

Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Good. A case was taken on that person's behalf. We are not going into any of that. As part of the settlement a figure in or around €600,000 was allocated, as part of an overall package, for her care in the previous years, to pay for the care that she had received. Is that right?

Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Good. Is Mr. O'Brien seriously telling the Committee of Public Accounts today that the health executive provided sufficient funding for the care of Grace, in that service provider, from 2009 onwards, and that the HSE magnanimously gave €600,000 on top of that in addition to providing for her? Is that what he is telling us?

Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Does Mr. O'Brien accept that the health executive did not provide sufficient funding for this service provider for the very special case and very special person that they had under their care?

Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)

Catherine Connolly: I shall simplify the matter. The service provider took over the case of this special person. Subsequently, there was a retrospective allocation for her care. I read from that, as would any person listening or watching, the retrospective allocation was made because insufficient funding had been provided for her care, from the health executive to the service provider. Does Mr. O'Brien now...

Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)

Catherine Connolly: This has been explained many times by Mr. O'Brien. I am under no illusion, no more than any other person, about the case, who took it and the settlement. I am specifically talking about the piece of the settlement that was paid to the service provider that did not take case.

Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)

Catherine Connolly: No. I want-----

Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Mr. O'Brien can take as long as he wants to answer but I need to ask my question.

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