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Public Accounts Committee: Department of Public Expenditure and Reform, Houses of the Oireachtas Commission - Review of Allowances (23 Oct 2012)

Eoghan Murphy: Okay. Does Mr. Coughlan consider the guidelines stipulating what the aforementioned amount of money can be spent on to be sufficiently specific and clear?

Public Accounts Committee: Department of Public Expenditure and Reform, Houses of the Oireachtas Commission - Review of Allowances (23 Oct 2012)

Eoghan Murphy: Does it include things like entertainment or food and drink?

Public Accounts Committee: Department of Public Expenditure and Reform, Houses of the Oireachtas Commission - Review of Allowances (23 Oct 2012)

Eoghan Murphy: I wanted to make that clear because I receive a lot of e-mails giving out to Deputies for the amount of money they claim for entertainment expenses, when they do not have an expenses allowance. If a school visits and a Deputy treats the teachers and children to a Coke and crisps, they get criticised for so doing. However, that is coming from Deputies' own salaries, which I consider to be...

Public Accounts Committee: Department of Public Expenditure and Reform, Houses of the Oireachtas Commission - Review of Allowances (23 Oct 2012)

Eoghan Murphy: I simply wished to make clear that we cannot claim expenses for that because that is another public perception that is not the case. The amount of €25,000 is the same for Deputies in Dublin as for those in the country.

Public Accounts Committee: Department of Public Expenditure and Reform, Houses of the Oireachtas Commission - Review of Allowances (23 Oct 2012)

Eoghan Murphy: Was differentiating between those living in urban areas and those living in rural areas ever discussed? One reason, for example, would be because the rent of office space is somewhat higher in Dublin.

Public Accounts Committee: Department of Public Expenditure and Reform, Houses of the Oireachtas Commission - Review of Allowances (23 Oct 2012)

Eoghan Murphy: Rent, for example, is higher in Dublin. Was no differentiation thought of for that reason?

Public Accounts Committee: Department of Public Expenditure and Reform, Houses of the Oireachtas Commission - Review of Allowances (23 Oct 2012)

Eoghan Murphy: Was that the origin of the €15,000 unvouched allowance? Mr. Dignam talked about a negotiation and I am trying to understand where the figures come from.

Public Accounts Committee: Department of Public Expenditure and Reform, Houses of the Oireachtas Commission - Review of Allowances (23 Oct 2012)

Eoghan Murphy: What was the Goodbody report? Was it something commissioned from-----

Public Accounts Committee: Department of Public Expenditure and Reform, Houses of the Oireachtas Commission - Review of Allowances (23 Oct 2012)

Eoghan Murphy: It was commissioned by the Houses to do that.

Public Accounts Committee: Department of Public Expenditure and Reform, Houses of the Oireachtas Commission - Review of Allowances (23 Oct 2012)

Eoghan Murphy: Its purpose was to get an idea of-----

Public Accounts Committee: Department of Public Expenditure and Reform, Houses of the Oireachtas Commission - Review of Allowances (23 Oct 2012)

Eoghan Murphy: That was in 2006.

Public Accounts Committee: Department of Public Expenditure and Reform, Houses of the Oireachtas Commission - Review of Allowances (23 Oct 2012)

Eoghan Murphy: I thank Mr. Dignam. Has real-time recording or real-time expensing been considered? I am referring to reporting the expense when it is incurred and not, for example, waiting until the end of the year. It might be done on a weekly or monthly basis. Members could supply proof of the rent paid for offices or proof of telephone costs.

Public Accounts Committee: Department of Public Expenditure and Reform, Houses of the Oireachtas Commission - Review of Allowances (23 Oct 2012)

Eoghan Murphy: It was cheaper to do it at the end of the year than to be doing it on a regular basis.

Public Accounts Committee: Department of Public Expenditure and Reform, Houses of the Oireachtas Commission - Review of Allowances (23 Oct 2012)

Eoghan Murphy: When was that decision made?

Public Accounts Committee: Department of Public Expenditure and Reform, Houses of the Oireachtas Commission - Review of Allowances (23 Oct 2012)

Eoghan Murphy: Is this the new system in 2010?

Public Accounts Committee: Department of Public Expenditure and Reform, Houses of the Oireachtas Commission - Review of Allowances (23 Oct 2012)

Eoghan Murphy: However, consideration was never given to real-time reporting electronically, for example.

Public Accounts Committee: Department of Public Expenditure and Reform, Houses of the Oireachtas Commission - Review of Allowances (23 Oct 2012)

Eoghan Murphy: I accept that but in the interest of transparency, these things come up and will continue to come up - the amount Deputies and Senators are expensing in the course of their jobs. At the end of the year, taking 10%-----

Public Accounts Committee: Department of Public Expenditure and Reform, Houses of the Oireachtas Commission - Review of Allowances (23 Oct 2012)

Eoghan Murphy: Yes. If it was possible on a more regular basis to see exactly what was being incurred as an expense and why, one would be able to check in and keep an eye on it because that is what we also want.

Public Accounts Committee: Department of Public Expenditure and Reform, Houses of the Oireachtas Commission - Review of Allowances (23 Oct 2012)

Eoghan Murphy: Is that a recommendation that comes from the joint committee?

Public Accounts Committee: Department of Public Expenditure and Reform, Houses of the Oireachtas Commission - Review of Allowances (23 Oct 2012)

Eoghan Murphy: The recommendation would come from the Minister's office as to what the changes are to be if there are to be any changes.

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