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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Oct 2017)

Catherine Connolly: We should give them a bualadh bos.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Oct 2017)

Catherine Connolly: The rationale arose directly from the response given by Mr. Tadhg Daly who said, as Deputy McDonald pointed out, that he could not make it that day. I gather he was open to coming on a different day, subject to clarification of what the committee wanted to ask him. We all agreed that he would be invited in on that basis. I know the committee has a huge workload and the Vice Chairman needs...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (26 Oct 2017)

Catherine Connolly: That will determine how we make decisions. I am very conscious about something being privileged or confidential but this is beyond that now. Mr. McEnery was before the committee as chair of HIQA who attended a meeting about which there is now a dispute. There are serious questions. Mr. McEnery and the HIQA board apparently think there is no conflict of interest. Whether there is or not...

Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Mr. O'Brien commissioned this report but not in a proactive manner. Is that right?

Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Did Mr. O'Brien commission the report because he felt there were serious questions about the funding?

Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)

Catherine Connolly: The external review arose from the service provider being very unhappy and telling the Committee of Public Accounts it was underresourced and the figures given were not accurate. I have paraphrased what was said. The action came from the service provider coming forward and stating it was most unhappy with what has been said. Is that right?

Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Is that right? Does Mr. O'Brien disagree with me?

Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)

Catherine Connolly: What have I left out?

Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Very good.

Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)

Catherine Connolly: I heard that but it came from the service providers. As a result of their concerns, Mr. O'Brien suggested an independent review and that is where it went.

Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Did Mr. O'Brien have complete control of the terms of reference and the service providers had no input?

Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Mr. O'Brien might clarify that.

Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Mr. O'Brien had complete control over and set the terms of reference. Notwithstanding that, and I will call them the service providers rather than whistleblowers, the service providers engaged with this process.

Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)

Catherine Connolly: They confirmed that they were happy enough with the draft report up to May of this year.

Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)

Catherine Connolly: The document or letter that we got was sent to Mr. O'Brien. Is that right, Chairman?

Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Listen to me. That is not what Mr. O'Brien said. Their letter was sent to Mr. O'Brien, where they set out their concerns. They set out, clearly, that they saw a draft report in May. They were happy enough with the draft report, if the word "happy" is appropriate. They raised no issue in May. Is that right? Is Mr. O'Brien aware of that?

Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Good, great. After May, the draft report was changed and they had no input.

Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)

Catherine Connolly: One second, please.

Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)

Catherine Connolly: We are not going to do this. We are going to answer questions.

Public Accounts Committee: Deloitte Report on Cost of Care in Grace Case (26 Oct 2017)

Catherine Connolly: A draft report was done in May. The service providers talked with delight and said, "That is okay." That report is not the final report. They are not consulted.

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