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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Social Protection: Estimates for Public Services 2015: Vote 26 - Department of Education and Skills (30 Sep 2015)

Joanna Tuffy: I will now call on Deputy Cannon and then Senator Marie-Louise O'Donnell.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Social Protection: Estimates for Public Services 2015: Vote 26 - Department of Education and Skills (30 Sep 2015)

Joanna Tuffy: Does this question relate to the output and performance? We must keep strictly to that and more general questions can be taken afterwards.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Social Protection: Estimates for Public Services 2015: Vote 26 - Department of Education and Skills (30 Sep 2015)

Joanna Tuffy: Give an example.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Social Protection: Estimates for Public Services 2015: Vote 26 - Department of Education and Skills (30 Sep 2015)

Joanna Tuffy: Are there any other questions on this aspect?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Social Protection: Estimates for Public Services 2015: Vote 26 - Department of Education and Skills (30 Sep 2015)

Joanna Tuffy: This is the first occasion where we have really got into this. The main thing is what is proposed by Deputy O'Brien, namely, that the committee would liaise with Department officials and the secretariat after the budget until the next Estimates to see how we can improve for next year. The committee has been advised that some of the outputs and a significant number of the output measures...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Social Protection: Estimates for Public Services 2015: Vote 26 - Department of Education and Skills (30 Sep 2015)

Joanna Tuffy: Another issue is similar to one I raised before. One of the issues that has been raised with the committee in terms of the Minister's presentation is that some output measures are not specific enough to be meaningful in a performance budgeting context. One example relates to higher education. It mentions significantly progressing the NUIG human biology building, but it does not say how or...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Social Protection: Estimates for Public Services 2015: Vote 26 - Department of Education and Skills (30 Sep 2015)

Joanna Tuffy: Only if it relates to outputs, because we are going to move on to more general matters.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Social Protection: Estimates for Public Services 2015: Vote 26 - Department of Education and Skills (30 Sep 2015)

Joanna Tuffy: I would like to bring in other speakers who have not spoken yet. If Deputy McConalogue has but a sentence more to say, that is fine.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Social Protection: Estimates for Public Services 2015: Vote 26 - Department of Education and Skills (30 Sep 2015)

Joanna Tuffy: That is not really an output. We had the same issue last week with the Department of Social Protection. The publishing of Bills is not really an output.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Social Protection: Estimates for Public Services 2015: Vote 26 - Department of Education and Skills (30 Sep 2015)

Joanna Tuffy: The Department is saying it is an output but the committee is advised that it is not. The Minister may answer because she has the Bill down as an output.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Social Protection: Estimates for Public Services 2015: Vote 26 - Department of Education and Skills (30 Sep 2015)

Joanna Tuffy: That is a point of view.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Social Protection: Estimates for Public Services 2015: Vote 26 - Department of Education and Skills (30 Sep 2015)

Joanna Tuffy: We do not all know; some people have a view on it.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Social Protection: Estimates for Public Services 2015: Vote 26 - Department of Education and Skills (30 Sep 2015)

Joanna Tuffy: We are very close to proceeding to the next part. This subject really comes under the next part. It is not covered as an output right now. I ask the Minister to answer the questions, after which we will move on to the general programmes, in respect of which members may raise any issue they want.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Social Protection: Estimates for Public Services 2015: Vote 26 - Department of Education and Skills (30 Sep 2015)

Joanna Tuffy: Outcome or output?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Social Protection: Estimates for Public Services 2015: Vote 26 - Department of Education and Skills (30 Sep 2015)

Joanna Tuffy: We will move on to the next part. Does the Minister want at this stage to go through the other parts of her statement?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Social Protection: Estimates for Public Services 2015: Vote 26 - Department of Education and Skills (30 Sep 2015)

Joanna Tuffy: It will be good to have an overview before we get on to questions. As Deputy Cannon did not get in, I am going to bring him in first after the overview.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Social Protection: Estimates for Public Services 2015: Vote 26 - Department of Education and Skills (30 Sep 2015)

Joanna Tuffy: We are now considering this information provided by the Department. When members are asking questions, if they are asking a general question, they might just say so, and if they are asking about a specific programme, they should indicate whether it is programme A, programme B or whatever. As they indicated but did not get in during the last part of the meeting, I am bringing in Deputies...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Social Protection: Estimates for Public Services 2015: Vote 26 - Department of Education and Skills (30 Sep 2015)

Joanna Tuffy: Deputy McConalogue is next, followed by Senators O'Donnell and Craughwell and then Deputy Ryan.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Social Protection: Estimates for Public Services 2015: Vote 26 - Department of Education and Skills (30 Sep 2015)

Joanna Tuffy: Does the Senator wish to have her point clarified now? Does she seek clarification before she asks a question?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Social Protection: Estimates for Public Services 2015: Vote 26 - Department of Education and Skills (30 Sep 2015)

Joanna Tuffy: I think the €15.4 million is just until the end of June.

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