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Public Accounts Committee: Tusla - Financial Statements 2016 (19 Oct 2017)

Catherine Connolly: More children going into care.

Public Accounts Committee: Tusla - Financial Statements 2016 (19 Oct 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Say that again.

Public Accounts Committee: Tusla - Financial Statements 2016 (19 Oct 2017)

Catherine Connolly: What percentage-----

Public Accounts Committee: Tusla - Financial Statements 2016 (19 Oct 2017)

Catherine Connolly: When I see the increase in the overall cost, it is a result of more children going into care.

Public Accounts Committee: Tusla - Financial Statements 2016 (19 Oct 2017)

Catherine Connolly: It has not increased.

Public Accounts Committee: Tusla - Financial Statements 2016 (19 Oct 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Has the number of supervision orders increased?

Public Accounts Committee: Tusla - Financial Statements 2016 (19 Oct 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Why?

Public Accounts Committee: Tusla - Financial Statements 2016 (19 Oct 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Mr. McBride-----

Public Accounts Committee: Tusla - Financial Statements 2016 (19 Oct 2017)

Catherine Connolly: One second, please. The legislation is there. The courts are there. They are willing and able to give supervision orders. How many times has Tusla applied for supervision orders and been refused? What resources does Tusla need for supervision orders, bearing in mind that it is under national and European legal obligations to keep families together as much as possible? Of course Tusla...

Public Accounts Committee: Tusla - Financial Statements 2016 (19 Oct 2017)

Catherine Connolly: One second, please. These orders are important in terms of value for money, but they are even more important for children and families. We all know that a care order should be a last resort, so there is provision for supervision orders, but why are these not being used? What resources are there? What arguments have been made to any Government to fund Tusla so that it might apply for...

Public Accounts Committee: Tusla - Financial Statements 2016 (19 Oct 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Okay. Answer that point.

Public Accounts Committee: Tusla - Financial Statements 2016 (19 Oct 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Is Mr. McBride saying that it is not a lack of resources, but of proper legislation?

Public Accounts Committee: Tusla - Financial Statements 2016 (19 Oct 2017)

Catherine Connolly: What of resources?

Public Accounts Committee: Tusla - Financial Statements 2016 (19 Oct 2017)

Catherine Connolly: That is right.

Public Accounts Committee: Tusla - Financial Statements 2016 (19 Oct 2017)

Catherine Connolly: I would happen to agree with Mr. McBride, if that were done. I might be running out of time, so my final point is on the amount of money paid to consultants. I do not have time to go into the legal costs, which are horrific. I hope that Tusla will be back here next year with a much reduced figure on that front. Not only is it huge, but it has increased since last year. Consultancy...

Public Accounts Committee: Tusla - Financial Statements 2016 (19 Oct 2017)

Catherine Connolly: I thank Mr. McCarthy. Has that amount increased since last year?

Public Accounts Committee: Tusla - Financial Statements 2016 (19 Oct 2017)

Catherine Connolly: I do not know what I am talking about. I am asking Mr. McBride to tell me about the management and consultants' fees.

Public Accounts Committee: Tusla - Financial Statements 2016 (19 Oct 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Were they all tendered for?

Public Accounts Committee: Tusla - Financial Statements 2016 (19 Oct 2017)

Catherine Connolly: None of them falls under the category of not being tendered for.

Public Accounts Committee: Tusla - Financial Statements 2016 (19 Oct 2017)

Catherine Connolly: I thank Mr. McBride.

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