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Public Accounts Committee: Tusla - Financial Statements 2016 (19 Oct 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Does that include the new allocation?

Public Accounts Committee: Tusla - Financial Statements 2016 (19 Oct 2017)

Catherine Connolly: That entire €23 million goes out to the rape crisis centres and the various bodies listed, excluding a small amount used for administration.

Public Accounts Committee: Tusla - Financial Statements 2016 (19 Oct 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Despite that public money going out, which is great, and despite the best efforts on the ground, this is the result. In Tusla's role as the statutory agent, how is it protecting children?

Public Accounts Committee: Tusla - Financial Statements 2016 (19 Oct 2017)

Catherine Connolly: According to the Council of Europe, we need 446 family refuge places. We have 143. I could be wrong on the figure of 143; it may now be 145. That is a crisis, is it not?

Public Accounts Committee: Tusla - Financial Statements 2016 (19 Oct 2017)

Catherine Connolly: That is the total figure which the witnesses have given me. I would love to see the submission which Tusla made to the Government in respect of the crisis on the ground and the impossibility of protecting women. Is there a written submission somewhere?

Public Accounts Committee: Tusla - Financial Statements 2016 (19 Oct 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Great, could I please get a copy of it?

Public Accounts Committee: Tusla - Financial Statements 2016 (19 Oct 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Great. I want to ask Mr. McBride a specific question. I apologise if I am blunt but it is the nature of the time restrictions on us. To go back to Dr. Geoffrey Shannon's report on section 12 and An Garda Síochána, was that published earlier this year or was it at the end of 2016?

Public Accounts Committee: Tusla - Financial Statements 2016 (19 Oct 2017)

Catherine Connolly: That is okay.

Public Accounts Committee: Tusla - Financial Statements 2016 (19 Oct 2017)

Catherine Connolly: I am only asking when it was published. Was it this year?

Public Accounts Committee: Tusla - Financial Statements 2016 (19 Oct 2017)

Catherine Connolly: There were very specific recommendations in it in respect of Tusla and An Garda Síochána. Specifically in respect of Tusla, a number of recommendations were made and a period of time was given in which it was to fulfil those recommendations and report back. Where is it in that process?

Public Accounts Committee: Tusla - Financial Statements 2016 (19 Oct 2017)

Catherine Connolly: I count 13 recommendations, but it is difficult to count the bullet points. One of them relates to out-of-hours services - social workers and so on. When will those recommendations be complied with?

Public Accounts Committee: Tusla - Financial Statements 2016 (19 Oct 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Just one second. I read through all the documents. I particularly noted the commissioning unit, the commissioning strategy and so on. My head was done in not with Mr. McBride, but with the language being used. Dr. Geoffrey Shannon came up with very specific recommendations because of the failure of communication on the ground between Tusla and An Garda Síochána in exercising its...

Public Accounts Committee: Tusla - Financial Statements 2016 (19 Oct 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Absolutely. I can quote the recommendations to Mr. McBride. There was no follow-up with An Garda Síochána and there was no one to explain the situation to the gardaí in question after they did their best in taking a child into care in an emergency. Nobody from Tusla was coming back to them and guiding them. There are all sorts of recommendations here in respect of training....

Public Accounts Committee: Tusla - Financial Statements 2016 (19 Oct 2017)

Catherine Connolly: I asked Mr. McBride about the recommendations in Dr. Shannon's report, where Tusla was in terms of complying with them and to revert to me.

Public Accounts Committee: Tusla - Financial Statements 2016 (19 Oct 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Tusla inherited a situation in the form of the women's refuge in Rathmines. Where are we in terms of the irregularities? I do not like to be parochial when highlighting matters, but this is a serious issue from what I have read. It appeared in the newspaper last year.

Public Accounts Committee: Tusla - Financial Statements 2016 (19 Oct 2017)

Catherine Connolly: When will we be aware of that? Will something be published as to what has been learned from this debacle? Is the refuge open?

Public Accounts Committee: Tusla - Financial Statements 2016 (19 Oct 2017)

Catherine Connolly: I understand that it is closed for other reasons.

Public Accounts Committee: Tusla - Financial Statements 2016 (19 Oct 2017)

Catherine Connolly: I understand that. What is the status of Tusla's inquiry? Is it complete?

Public Accounts Committee: Tusla - Financial Statements 2016 (19 Oct 2017)

Catherine Connolly: This was in the newspaper last year. It has been more than a year. How could it take this long to review something? What is the review's status? What has Tusla learned from it? What will be made public?

Public Accounts Committee: Tusla - Financial Statements 2016 (19 Oct 2017)

Catherine Connolly: Regarding residential placements, the expenditure has increased substantially. This is under independent placement provision on page 37. It has increased from €66.222 million to €72.137 million. Does this mean that prices have increased or more children have gone into care?

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