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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Pre-legislative Scrutiny of the Companies (Protection of Employees' Rights in Liquidations) Bill 2021: Discussion (6 Jul 2022)

Paul Murphy: Ms McElwee also made the case, which I do not dispute, that Debenhams was in compliance with the law. She is not saying that Debenhams broke the law.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Pre-legislative Scrutiny of the Companies (Protection of Employees' Rights in Liquidations) Bill 2021: Discussion (6 Jul 2022)

Paul Murphy: She is also against changing the law.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Pre-legislative Scrutiny of the Companies (Protection of Employees' Rights in Liquidations) Bill 2021: Discussion (6 Jul 2022)

Paul Murphy: Ms McElwee's opposition to this proposal is based on the inequality that could potentially be created, in her view, between workers.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Pre-legislative Scrutiny of the Companies (Protection of Employees' Rights in Liquidations) Bill 2021: Discussion (6 Jul 2022)

Paul Murphy: I will address that because Ms McElwee has made that point a couple of times. She has said that the effect of the Bill would be to change the order of creditors and that suppliers could, therefore, lose out. It is also the case that the State did not have anything to do with the contract between suppliers and Debenhams in this case. Why on earth is Mc McElwee insisting that it is a problem...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Pre-legislative Scrutiny of the Companies (Protection of Employees' Rights in Liquidations) Bill 2021: Discussion (6 Jul 2022)

Paul Murphy: That is correct but it means there is no basis for the point Ms McElwee is making that there is some problem here because the State was not involved in negotiating these collective agreements. The State was also not involved in the contracts between the creditors, supplier and the company. There is no basis for that position.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Pre-legislative Scrutiny of the Companies (Protection of Employees' Rights in Liquidations) Bill 2021: Discussion (6 Jul 2022)

Paul Murphy: We are just re-ordering the issue of creditors. I do not understand why the idea that the State has no hand in the collective agreements would have any relevance.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Pre-legislative Scrutiny of the Companies (Protection of Employees' Rights in Liquidations) Bill 2021: Discussion (6 Jul 2022)

Paul Murphy: The benefit we have in the Dáil is that we get to write the law. We can, therefore, change the law to say that workers absolutely do take precedence in this situation. On the other points about-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Pre-legislative Scrutiny of the Companies (Protection of Employees' Rights in Liquidations) Bill 2021: Discussion (6 Jul 2022)

Paul Murphy: Can I ask another question about the inequality of workers? Would Ms McElwee agree if we were to amend the legislation so that in all collective redundancy agreements, be they in insolvency situations or not, workers should take priority and have a legal right to those agreements?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Pre-legislative Scrutiny of the Companies (Protection of Employees' Rights in Liquidations) Bill 2021: Discussion (6 Jul 2022)

Paul Murphy: But this is not about the State paying for it and that is why there is a lot of confusion in what Ms McElwee is saying. She repeatedly refers to the State. This is talking about the company paying for it. She is saying that there is an issue-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Pre-legislative Scrutiny of the Companies (Protection of Employees' Rights in Liquidations) Bill 2021: Discussion (6 Jul 2022)

Paul Murphy: Can I finish the question? Ms McElwee is saying that there is an issue in terms of inequality of workers. If we accept that point, would she agree that we raise all workers?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Pre-legislative Scrutiny of the Companies (Protection of Employees' Rights in Liquidations) Bill 2021: Discussion (6 Jul 2022)

Paul Murphy: Would she agree with raising all workers in order to address the issue of inequality that she mentioned?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Pre-legislative Scrutiny of the Companies (Protection of Employees' Rights in Liquidations) Bill 2021: Discussion (6 Jul 2022)

Paul Murphy: We could amend the Bill. Let us be clear. Is IBEC asking us to amend it so that all workers receive that right?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Pre-legislative Scrutiny of the Companies (Protection of Employees' Rights in Liquidations) Bill 2021: Discussion (6 Jul 2022)

Paul Murphy: No, she does not and that is the point. It is that she wants an equality of misery and not to have workers' rights to be raised.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Pre-legislative Scrutiny of the Companies (Protection of Employees' Rights in Liquidations) Bill 2021: Discussion (6 Jul 2022)

Paul Murphy: I have one final question. Fundamentally, the bottom-line point is that IBEC is in favour of companies like Debenhams being able to walk away from negotiated agreements with workers in insolvency situation. Ms McElwee is saying that this situation should continue.

Ceisteanna ar Pholasaí nó ar Reachtaíocht - Questions on Policy or Legislation (14 Sep 2022)

Paul Murphy: Outside the Dáil today were many residents of apartments and duplex complexes, including Hunterswood and Park West. These are some of the 100,000 householders facing serious defects in their homes. They were carrying placards saying "Not our fault" because it is not their fault. They did everything right when they bought their homes. The fault is with the builders responsible, with...

Ceisteanna ar Pholasaí nó ar Reachtaíocht - Questions on Policy or Legislation (14 Sep 2022)

Paul Murphy: I have three quick questions. One, when will the Government decide on the report? Two, will the Government agree that anything it does will be retroactive and will the Taoiseach make that commitment now? Three, will the Government commit to 100% redress?

Ceisteanna - Questions: Departmental Reports (14 Sep 2022)

Paul Murphy: 2. To ask the Taoiseach when the annual report of his Department for 2021 will be published. [36011/22]

Ceisteanna - Questions: Departmental Reports (14 Sep 2022)

Paul Murphy: The annual report speaks about the role of Ireland in the world. I would like to ask the Taoiseach whether the role he envisages is one of allying with and participating in NATO. I ask the Taoiseach whether the Irish Government participated in the fifth meeting of the Ukraine Defense Contact Group, which took place at the Ramstein US air base in Germany, which also happens to be where the...

Ceisteanna - Questions: Departmental Bodies (14 Sep 2022)

Paul Murphy: The role of the parliamentary liaison unit is to ensure that dialogue and so on take place on the implementation of the Government’s legislative programme. Part of the agreed Government legislative programme is a referendum to enshrine water in public ownership in the Constitution. This is a matter of considerable public debate. A mass movement defeated water charges and in the...

Ceisteanna - Questions: Departmental Bodies (14 Sep 2022)

Paul Murphy: When will it be?

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